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'Pope That Never Was' Shows How Close Major Change Can Come to the Papacy [Cardinal Carlo Martini}
SpiritDaily.com ^ | 04-26-06 | SpiritDaily

Posted on 04/26/2006 7:35:34 AM PDT by Salvation

'POPE WHO NEVER WAS' SHOWS HOW CLOSE  MAJOR CHANGE CAN COME TO THE PAPACY

It may be just smoke. Or it may be Benedict's first big test. The issue is condoms -- whether the Church can allow them in unusual cases, in order to save lives -- and it was all kick-started by a prominent  Cardinal who many had on their short lists of papal candidates.

It showed how close the Church can come to leadership by a pontiff with views at strong variance with current policy.

When Time Magazine speculated on a successor to John Paul II, this former archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Carlo Martini, had been listed as one of 12 likeliest candidates.

"According to Italian newspaper accounts, based on rumors and leaked reports, Cardinal Martini won a substantial number of ballots during the first round of voting in the recent conclave," noted a news service at the time.

Some know him as "the pope who never was."

And so there were waves last week when in a dialogue with Ignazio Marino, famous Italian bio-ethicist, which was published in a European periodical called L’Espresso, Cardinal Martini, asked when he felt human life began, replied “not immediately with conception, but after.”

At the earliest stage, argued the Cardinal -- before male and female chromosomes combine, forming new DNA -- there is “no sign of an individually distinguishable life,” and actually it is not yet an embryo (and thus it can be manipulated without any objections of a moral nature, the Cardinal said).

Although the Cardinal had expressed similar views before, the remarks made news because of their lucid presentation and because they were joined by equally strong remarks on euthanasia and condoms.

The Church has long taught that life begins at conception, and such is the basis for its opposition to abortion at any time, as well as to manipulation of the fertilized egg.

Other points Cardinal Martini made included an openness to the insertion into a woman’s womb – even a single woman – of embryos otherwise destined for destruction; allowing fertilization with the sperm or egg from an individual outside a couple if that couple is having trouble conceiving; permitting single persons to adopt children; and use of condoms for spouses when one of them is infected with AIDS (as “a lesser evil”).

When it comes to euthanasia, Cardinal Martini said that such was never to be approved but those who helped a person die should not be condemned if such was done "out of a sentiment of altruism." He felt the same about those who have received abortion.

The Vatican rushed  to respond, restating its position on condoms (through an official from the Pontifical Council for Health and Pastoral Care, presided by Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragán) and on when life begins (which is at conception, reaffirmed the president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Monsignor Elio Sgreccia).

At the same time, the Holy See is preparing a "study" for internal dialogue, not a "document," on condoms and AIDS, says Cardinal Barragan. There is thus the  possibility -- and only the possibility -- that the Pope could bend slightly, a move that would nevertheless cause a tidal surge. A test this is. Some claim it is more than just a chance.

"The question the study addresses in particular is that of couples united in sacramental marriage, in which one of the spouses suffers from AIDS," reports Zenit New Service. "The study responds first to the question: What guarantee exists to prevent infection with AIDS through a condom? A second question is: Is it morally licit to use a 'technical' condom?"
 
Meanwhile, the remarks of Cardinal Martini, who is a Jesuit, also brought to the fore the issue of that Order, which many have labeled as overly liberal. Just last weekend, after a Mass commemorating St. Ignatius, the Pope reminded Jesuits -- who operate many major universities -- of their vow to be obedient.

In the Pope's first months, a stir was caused when another prominent Jesuit, Father Thomas J. Reese -- editor of America Magazine -- resigned at the request of his order following years of pressure from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which Benedict had headed before becoming Pope.

That move led many to believe that Benedict was indeed a tough enforcer who would weed out the type of liberalism that has been seen as pervading the Jesuits (and other orders).

At the same time, Benedict has been on friendly terms with Cardinal Martini. Just two weeks ago, speaking to youth of Rome, the Pope had suggested to the young people that they read the Cardinal's expert writings on the Scriptures. Thus are indications that Benedict will continue to be a Pope of surprises.

"A Jesuit, Martini embodies the reformist spirit of Catholic progressives. He has for two decades been the 'great white hope' of that constituency, the man most of them would elect to the papacy if they had the chance," noted a liberal Catholic periodical.

Could he actually have made it to the top?

Obviously, he did not. But it was a reminder of what could crop up in the way of like-minded cardinals in the next papal election.

[see also: the Pope who never was, Vatican official: there'll be no change on condoms, Study could approve use of condoms for married couples with AIDS, Ex-Jesuit says devil's image wrong, and No change on when life begins]



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61 posted on 04/26/2006 9:29:16 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Salvation
Who gives a hoot what Slime Magazine, or any of the rest of the dinosaur media bloviated about who might be elected Pope?

The Holy Spirit is in charge, here.

Bottom line.

The gates of hell (and its minions in the media) will not prevail.

It is written.

62 posted on 04/27/2006 12:10:53 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: livius
Life is better and probably longer if you live it according to the dictates of the Church and God's law.

The human body and soul was invented, designed and built by GOD. The 10 commandments are the brief version of the Owner's Manual ... RTFM, folks! If you use the device at variance with the manufacturer's instructions, the results are likely to be less than optimal.

63 posted on 04/27/2006 12:17:39 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: livius
Well original sin comes in once again.

Did you know that a woman harlot had a Bastard child and she was Chaste for the rest of her life to take care of this "Christ" like child.

I cannot speak for married couples.
In all venues men and women sin.

Does God favor them less, no he looks at the heart.
Our responsibility as Catholics is to adhere to teachings from our infallible Rock..however as man we will fall into sin.....you cannot condemn a man for what he is but only God Almighty can judge his soul/heart.

Just ask King David..

You lost your temper today right?
I never lose mine, yet I might FALL AND SIN.
This is why is so important for all of us to take personal responsibility to go once a week to Penance aka Confession and also receive Holy Eucharist.

It as the Holy Creed I Believe and the Nicene (daughter) We believe.

Spend time Praying the Holy Rosary or Reading the Bible and God will Give You Graces that will lift the load ...

If you doubt what I post then challenge me and go to your Priest

I don't want to argue.
SEEK AND YOU WILL RECIEVE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
64 posted on 04/27/2006 2:04:31 AM PDT by Global2010 (Life takes allot of Prayer and Grit)
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To: ArrogantBustard

**The gates of hell (and its minions in the media) will not prevail.**

Agree with that totally.


65 posted on 04/27/2006 9:25:08 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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