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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
AP ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi

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To: ksen
lol

I guess if you consider the Bible a "hat." ;^)

Even if the Bible is your "hat" (and I'm not saying it is here), if you're "forcing it to fit" you've still got a problem.

3,981 posted on 04/13/2004 11:42:26 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: RnMomof7
No , God takes nothing away from the unsaved , they make exactly the free will choice that they prefer.

Who made them to prefer what they prefer? Why are they like that? Who is responsible?

SD

3,982 posted on 04/13/2004 11:45:27 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Any news on your niece?
3,983 posted on 04/13/2004 11:46:32 AM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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To: the808bass
If one pretends that God is not responsible for causing someone to reject Him but simultaneously espouses God's sovereignty, they seem to be missing the key link of Creation.

Only if you do not know WHY God created man .

3,984 posted on 04/13/2004 11:48:52 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: malakhi
Any news on your niece?

She's been feeding well, off the IV now. They'll have results from the infection culture today, but barring anything odd turning up there, she should be home tomorrow. My sister's been living down there providing milk for the baby.

SD

3,985 posted on 04/13/2004 11:52:28 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Amen

There is great peace and assurance knowing the world is not spinning out of control . To know that we have a God that cares so much that he measures our steps and catches our tears in a bottle. There is peace in knowing that no matter what occurs , hurricanes, floods , illness , death , job loss ....that God has worked it all out sovereignly before the foundation of the world.

Jesus asks " What man builds a tower without first counting the cost "?

We know with assurance that " God works all things together for the good for those that love Him and are called according to His purposes.

3,986 posted on 04/13/2004 11:57:15 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: RnMomof7; the808bass
If one pretends that God is not responsible for causing someone to reject Him but simultaneously espouses God's sovereignty, they seem to be missing the key link of Creation.

Only if you do not know WHY God created man .

Please, elaborate.

SD

3,987 posted on 04/13/2004 12:00:36 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: the808bass
What an absolutely wonderful Arminian post. I couldn't agree more. Of course, I see the opposite as well. If God, in his infinite grace and mercy, chooses to throw each and every one of us a lifesaver as we sink into the morass of our own sin, and we, through no goodness of our own, but through a simple obedience to the drawing of the Holy Spirit, choose to receive the gift of the lifesaver, who are we to say that it's outside His nature?

He must do CPR on your before you can grab that life preserver.

Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

3,988 posted on 04/13/2004 12:03:39 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: SoothingDave
Good news. I pray things continue to improve.
3,989 posted on 04/13/2004 12:05:45 PM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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To: the808bass
Romans 2:14ff When the Gentiles, who do not posess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.

Do you understand the theme of Romans 1-3?

Paul lays out that men can not be saved apart from Christ. He gave the Jews the law on tables, he wrote the law on the heart of men . No man can keep the law ( on his heart or on the tablets) perfectly. All men have fallen short of the glory of God, and need a saviour ...

Gal 3:10   For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

3,990 posted on 04/13/2004 12:14:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: CindyDawg
Maybe I'm missing something here but this doesn't make sense to me. God would offer this gift to all but then only allow some to accept it? Isn't that kind of like offering candy to children but jerking it back when they reach for it?

God restrains no man from coming to Him. On judgment day every man will stand in front of God and they will be without an excuse . That is because they have rejected Christ and the Gospel with their free will. The problem is that the sons of Adam are not interested in the gospel, the sons of God are.

God does not owe you salvation cindy , He is not a debtor to me

3,991 posted on 04/13/2004 12:19:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: malakhi
Thanks. We knew something wasn't right when they brought her home and a day or two later said that she slept for 5 hours overnight. I tell you, I'm surprised we ever survived as a species, what with breastfeeding being as non-intuitive and troublesome as it is.

SD

3,992 posted on 04/13/2004 12:19:56 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: CindyDawg
Opps left a letter off

God does not owe you salvation cindy , He is not a debtor to men

3,993 posted on 04/13/2004 12:20:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: Quester
it is part of His pre-determined plan.

Yep it sure is.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.

Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

3,994 posted on 04/13/2004 12:28:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: RnMomof7
That is because they have rejected Christ and the Gospel with their free will. The problem is that the sons of Adam are not interested in the gospel, the sons of God are.

And Who made them to prefer what they prefer? Why are they like that? Who is responsible?

SD

3,995 posted on 04/13/2004 12:34:08 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Quester
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

God does not hide from mankind, he is on clear display for all men

3,996 posted on 04/13/2004 12:39:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: Quester
Jesus qualifies His invitation thusly ... Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who will come? Those that are drawn by the father.

3,997 posted on 04/13/2004 12:43:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: malakhi
How is this not a futile desire, if everything is "foreordained"?

No one will be in hell that ever desired Christ.

3,998 posted on 04/13/2004 12:47:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: RnMomof7
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

God does not hide from mankind, he is on clear display for all men.


I agree.

3,999 posted on 04/13/2004 12:47:31 PM PDT by Quester (I just have this thing about accuracy.)
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To: RnMomof7
No one will be in hell that ever desired Christ.

And Who made them to prefer what they prefer? Why are they like that? Who is responsible?

SD

4,000 posted on 04/13/2004 12:50:03 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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