The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

AP ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Ok I'll ask, what was wrong the back and forth or was someone pushing the abuse button?

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'm just trying a few out. Malakhi could probably give you a better idea of the differences. So far been to reform and conservative. Conservative uses more of the Hebrew language. As far as orthodox goes they are more strict. The would not let me become orthodox because my wife would choose to remain a gentile.

[cpprfld]

I want to thank everyone who prayed for my grandmother. She passed tonight, it took a lot longer than the docters and nurses said that it would, but she was a strong woman. Anyway, thank you.

matt

[CindyDawg]

Prayers for you and your family. Want to talk to us about her?

[restornu]

She will be in the arms of the Lord and is doing much better than those of us left behind.

For the departing is hard, yet she is free of worn out frame. Think of all of the wonderful times. I was at a funeral today and it is a bittersweet experience- try to always remember she is in a better place!

Blessings!

[Quester]

Posts 3223/3224 are more the norm for this thread.

The thread would be sorely missed, if we were to lose it.

thanks

[cpprfld]

Thank you, for your prayers. I came to accept her death about Wed., I didn't think that she would hold on for as long as she did. But, she was a strong woman and I didn't even realize it. If it wasn't for my grandmother, I wouldn't be in the position that I am right now. When I first moved to Milwaukee, she let me stay at her place for six months, so that I could get on my feet financially, and I grew close to her during that time. Now I have a good job, my own house, and I am looking for the woman to have children with. (my grandmother, always asked why to me I wasn't married and having kids yet.)

Again thank you for your prayers, it has been a trying time in my life, but I have faith in Jesus that I will see her again. Thank you.

matt

[CindyDawg]

So yall shop together. I hate to go with my husband. We walk in and he hands me his watch and wants to know how long I need and where to meet him. Anything over 45 minutes pains him. It used to be 30 minutes but I was always late:') Then it's very stressful for him at the check out. It's much healthier for him if he doesn't know what I buy or how much I spend.:') EX: "I thought we were on a diet" "don't we already have some of this at home?" "I don't know why you buy all this food. You know you aren't going to cook" "How much have you put on AE this month?You will be crying like a baby when you have to give me your check to pay YOUR bill next month" and my favorite "didn't you just buy groceries last week"? :')

I'm much worse at home depot though. Ex: "More tools? You have some you haven't even opened yet" "If you would let me organize your garage you wouldn't have to keep buying things" "Are you about ready to go?" "This place is so boring" :')

[CindyDawg]

Grandmothers look at grandchildren as special blessings from God. Mine taught me things I didn't even know I had learned until later in life.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I'm sorry you lost your grandmother tonight. My dad passed away at Easter-time. Somehow it makes the loss a little easier.

[malakhi]

The majority of Calvinists ( like Calvin that lost a young child) believe that God saves all children that die. Not because they 'deserves' it based on innocence , but based like all of our salvation on His mercy and grace.

Why? Why would God save all children that die? Aren't they, according to the doctrine of total depravity, as deserving of hell as the most reprobate adult?

[malakhi]

And this joy must surely include reunion with ALL our loved ones.

Hmmm... This seems to leave the door wide open to universalism. Not that I'm opposed to that, mind you.

[malakhi]

God is your pal. Thus, God is your equal.

Also from your scripture.

No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. (John 15:15)

[malakhi]

What is it in man that God "owes " them a chance" .Is God mans debtor?

Is God loving? Is God just?

Where is the justice and love in creating a being specifically for hell?

[malakhi]

Hi restornu, nice pickle! ;o)

[malakhi]

Can God make a rock that is so large that he can't pick it up?

Is it your position that free will is a logical impossibility?

[malakhi]

Hey I visited a conservative synagogue today. Very beautiful service.

Cool! Did you have a chance to talk to anyone?

[malakhi]

My condolences and prayers for you and your family.

[malakhi]

Ok I'll ask, what was wrong the back and forth or was someone pushing the abuse button?

Does anybody have any idea what that was all about?

[Cvengr]

In regard to the status of infants.

Jesus Christ was judged on the Cross for all the sins of the world, past, present and future. This does not imply all mankind has salvation.

The Books which are opened in heaven are the Book of Life and the Book of Works.

Those who have had faith in Jesus Christ alone through faith alone, have been in a position to where God is free to make that faith efficacious for salvation without encroaching upon His righteousness, holiness, integrity, and immutability. Their names are therefore written on the Book of Life.

Those whose names have been blotted out of the Book of Life will then be judged upon their works. Since they have no works which are not burnt up as hay and stubble, because even if they have numerous good works, such works if not performed in fellowship with God are good for nothingness. Those who are then deemed as good for nothingness will be sent to the Lake of Fire.

Infants, regardless of their names in the Book of Life, are considered to not yet be accountable for Divine good works, simply because they are not yet of age and accordingly, God is free to bless them with eternal life in heaven without encroaching upon His holiness, integrity, or righteousness.

We conclude, therefore that even though an infant may have sin of the flesh, he isn't judged on Divine good works, and perhaps not on the Book of Life for his entrance into heaven.

This is not the case with men of age. Entrance into salvation is not based upon works, but by faith alone. The judgment of the Book of Works, simply displays for all creatures who enter heaven that God is just and holy. Even those who reject faith in Christ are afforded their appeal to display their worthiness to enter heaven, and when found lacking of even one divine good work are then cast to the Lake of Fire everlasting.