Schwarznegger Gets 34% of Uberroth Votes..McClintock 21% (New Afternoon CA. Poll Number-Crunching)

Sacremento Bee Political Insider ^ | September 9, 2003 | Dan Weintraub

[meg70]

In a long and very interesting poll pubished today by the California Chamber of Commerce, (which has endorsed Arnold, and bits have been excerpted to the media) Uberroth backers were asked who they would support if he withdrew.

This is what they said: Schwarzenegger 34%, McClintock 21%, Bustamante 23%.

[karen999]

" He is conservative enough to count as 70%
of a Republican. "

Would you care telling us all WHAT 70%?
The gun grabbing, gay rights agenda, abortion loving
part?

"He is a lot like George Pataki, and that is good enough for New York which is a far
greater state than yours currently in my book. "

LOL!!!!! Please I know we have idiots Boxer and Finestein
as our senators...but your statement is rich considering that witch hitlery was elected by your fellow New Yorkers.
Hitlery trumps Boxer, Finestein, and Grayout by a longshot.

[ambrose]

He is a lot like George Pataki, and that is good enough for New York which is a far greater state than yours currently in my book.

The last thing California needs to do is model itself after that cess pool called "New York"...

[Sabertooth]

What could anyone say to persuade you to Schwarzenegger's side?

Can I answer?

Arnold needs to repudiate his desire to lobby Washington to legalize "undocumented immigrants," and the idea of Amnesty altogether.

Arnold also needs to get off the sidelines and help overturn SB60 through a referendum, which the only way we have to keep valid driver's licenses out of the hands of Illegals. So far, his idea is to ask the Democrat legislature to change their minds.

Throw me those two bones, and I'll consider voting for Arnold.

[carbon14]

Here's what Ward Connelly had to say about Arnold Schwarzenegger's opposition to Prop54.

Why don't you include Ward Connelly's ideas about allowing gay marriage for a better insight into his political philosophy? Ward Connelly is certainly intelligent to the highest degree, but whether he is able to consistently promote or create good law with unintentional side effects is another question.

Any who is for Prop 54 and does not read Thomas E. Wood's extensive and compelling critique "Why Supporters of Prop. 209 Must Oppose the Racial Privacy Initiative" is doing themselves a disservice. Mr. Wood is the co-author of Prop 209 (CA's Civil Right Initiative) and uses actual and ongoing legal cases with accompanying statistical data to show why Prop 54 will be detrimental to those people who are negatively affected by affirmative action.

By contrast, reading the pro 54 articles from endorsers like the editors at National Review and George Will reveals ivory tower myopia where people are named "X Y. Z" and come from the South Pole. As Mr. Wood's points out for example, the race of an applicant is routinely blacked out, but names like "Ho Chi Minh" and "Kwase Mfume" along with other information makes the race of someone highly evident.

Just imagine taking Ward Connelly's color blind goal to a case of reductio ad absurdum: future employment or school interviews will be conducted with the interviewee placed in a black box with a computer interface that translates all interaction in a neutral manner!

The very fact that a lifetimer pol like Tom MadClintock, who supposedly lives and breathes legislation, supports the measure without cautioning about the significant side effects, should give everyone in California great pause.

Perhaps not a surprise, considering Tom MadClintock could not manage his way thru the CA Voter Guide form.

[cyncooper]

I think Schwarzenegger has made it clear he is for legal immigration and anti the illegal variety.

Don't have time to research at the moment, but I certainly disagree with those (not you, as far as I have seen) that outright declare him "pro illegals", when he is not.

[going hot]

so,a rino can be turned.

He knows where roughly half of his supporters are, and is willing to listen.

Can you imagine a scenario where you could see cruz turning?, or Steinberg, perata, ortiz?

When it comes down to the home stretch, in a political race, we can change bets after the bell.Placing all bets on one horse and not budging over the entire race does not make sense if one is able to adjust the bet during the race, or near the finish.

I would take my chances with arnold over busty if that was the only game in town. Currently, it appears to be.

[af_vet_1981]

He can get Arnold to drop out AND close the 6% gap? Please tell us how.

Why it's obvious, the same way Bill Simon closed the gap against Gray Davis in 2002 ...

Oh, wait ... he lost.

[Scott from the Left Coast]

Gotta hope that Cruz takes a major PR hit now and his numbers go down.

When you are as extreme as Bustamante is and can still tie down a major chunk of your party as he has, there isn't much in the way of a PR hit that can hurt you. Everyone in the RAT party already knows how extreme he is and wants him anyway. What can hurt him? Finding out that he secretly reads the Wall Street Journal Opinion page or National Review? Did he praise Bill Buckley at some occasion in the past?

Nope. His opposition needs to coalesce. Nothing more is going to syphon any votes from him, it will be up to his opponents to decide that beating him is priority #1.

[Amerigomag]

A proud conservative Republican whose political role models include .... the great George W. Bush.

Sorta defines where the the wizard is a commin from don't it?

Wizard, don't recognize your state flag on ma teeny screen. Where d'yall hale from?

[pogo101]

That is the first decent argument I've seen for opposing Prop 54: that anti-racists like us need the data to fight the legal battles against racial preferences.

[karen999]

"It does neither candidate any good for either of them to drop out at this stage. Arnold needs McClintock to
be the liberals' boogey man that steers their votes his way; and McClintock needs Arnold to split the liberal
vote. "

Exactly right...they both need each other. Let's not
forget that historically demos are LAZY BUTT voters...many of them have to be rounded out and treated with free cigarettes to vote. The RAT party doesn't have enough time to put their usual machine into full court press. Many of the RATS won't know what corner to stand on for the free bus ride to the polls (and I mean POLLS ) -- so illegals will not be voting many times over as they often do for a few packs of cigs or beer or whatever it is the RAT party hands out these days. You out of state people forget that with NO backing from the RINO ops in the Ca. leadership (because their boy Riordan didn't get the nom.) Simon STILL almost won. There are any number of mad as hell hard core Repubs. out there...yes, they don't numerically outnumber dems...but dems will NOT have a huge turnout, many of them also being ticked off by grayout after finding out to what extent he lied about the budget. TRUE, many demos will vote for Busty, BUT Arnie being so far left, many of them might be attracted to HIM. If the hard core repubs. don't lose a lot of THEIR base to Arnie...McClintock has a shot at winning. Arnie NEEDS to stay in the race though....in order for Arnie to suck away some of Busty's support.

[jmc813]

Bloomberg gets an A+ in my book on crime

He supports New York suing states with "unrestrictive gun laws" for gun violence damages. He's an elistist, gun-grabbing punk.

[Carry_Okie]

That is outright false.

You don't get it. You're being used. I posted the following this morning:

Howard Kaloogian, Chairman of the Recall Gray Davis Committee and long-time conservative activist, reports that several phone calls to the White House resulted in mocking conversations.

“Not interested,” said the political types. “Let Davis slowly twist in the wind. It’ll make our job easier in ’04.”

Source

Rove was against this recall all along. He and Parsky probably put up Arnold is to split the conservative GOP vote and our "moderates" fell for it. That alone would explain the bizarre behavior of Mr. Schwarzenegger; i.e., he doesn't want to BE governor (and who could blame him). Under that scenario he's just having some fun messing with the conservatives he hates (which fits his personality perfectly; as a body builder his trademark was messing with the heads of his competition). He's got company in the White House!

BTW, the person who wrote that article originated the recall effort one morning on KSFO in a discussion with Shawn Steel. She has been on the inside of the recall from the very start.

[myself6]

I do believe that Texas_dawg is a closet liberal. How are things over at DU?

[karen999]

"Abortion will
always be legal in California, and a Governor's position doesn't matter anyways, so it shouldn't be an issue. "

The hell it isn't. Grayout signed a LOT of legislation favorable to the abortion industry and shoving it down everyone's throat even further.

See:
http://www.cacatholic.org/respect4life/noreason.html

The "can't do much about abortion" guy signed it into law that no longer is a PHYSICIAN required to do abortions, midwives, nurse practitioners, etc. can now do them.
Also OB/GYN programs taught by accredited colleges are now supposed to require abortion training....thanks, all you big RINO "freedom of religion" people.....

So there's PLENTY of damage these proabort governors not only CAN do, but DO do.

So as far as I'm concerned Arnie can go shake hands with his disgusting uncle-in-law Teddy on this one and they can both go to hell in a handbasket...this ONE fact alone will cause me to NEVER vote for him.

[Sabertooth]

I think Schwarzenegger has made it clear he is for legal immigration and anti the illegal variety.

Not in any meaningful way. My portrayal at #123 of Arnold's approach to Illegals is accurate.

[A CA Guy]

No, the gap in his brain has proven to be off by more than that. Any class act would have already left so the Republican candidate could win over the Militant Democrat.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...McClintock = spoiler/selfish.

[heleny]

The poll was conducted by Baselice & Associates, Inc., September 1-4, 2003 among 1,005 likely voters. The results carry a margin of error or +/- 3.1% at the .95 test level.

Thank you for pointing out that the poll was taken before Davis signed SB60! McClintock's support may yet rise further, taking some sensible voters away from the other two major candidates on this issue alone.

[karen999]

"I'm tired of my tax money in Pennsylvania always being sent to your stupid state to care of all the nutcases
that live out there. "

Really? Well, I'm tired of jerks in Pennsylvania that let demo precincts consistently turn out MORE than 100% of the possible vote in Philly and ALL 103% vote Demo. yeah, right. Can't wait until they grab YOUR guns...

[A CA Guy]

He has a 23 year plan to get him there.