Skip to comments.Polls show 2 Americas in Gay Rights
Posted on 08/30/2003 5:04:18 PM PDT by No Dems 2004
Recent independent polling, both nationally and statewide, are helping us understand why there is so much confusion and division in American politics over homosexual marriage and 'rights'. To start with, national polling shows that most Americans disapprove of gay marriage and strong majorities support the Federal Marriage Amendment that would change the US Constitution to ban such marriages in the United States.
The most recent Fox News Poll found the following from registered voters:
Q: "Do you favor or oppose same-sex marriage?"
A: 62% Oppose, while 26% Favor
Q: "Would you favor or oppose passing a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman?"
A: 34% Oppose, while 58% Favor
A recent Associated Press Poll also found that Americans supported this Amendment by a margin of 54%-42%. In fact, both gay marriages and Vermont-style civil unions are strongly condemned in almost all recent national polls. Moving even closer to the heart of the matter, Americans are still heavily divided over whether homosexual relations between consenting adults should be legal, with most in the South and Midwest opposing its legalisation. And, as has been correctly pointed out by certain pundits, polling on gay-related issues often understates the actual opposition to such rights because respondents don't want to regarded as bigoted.
So why don't more Democrats oppose gay rights, especially at the national level? The answer to this comes simply, yet painfully, from a comparison of 2 recent prominent statewide polls that give us a good sampling to understand this issue. The first poll was conducted in Georgia, the tenth largest state and a good representative of the South. The Zogby survey found some very interesting insights into southern cultural attitudes from the Peach State.
Q: Do you think homosexual relations between consenting adults should or should not be legal?
A: 59% should be illegal and 31% should be legal
Q: Would you favor or oppose a law that would allow homosexual couples to legally form civil unions, giving them some of the rights of married couples?
A: 62% oppose, while 30% favor.
While the question of the morality of homosexuality wasnt posed in this poll, it seems quite clear that a strong majority of Georgians would disapprove of such behavior.
Meanwhile, a Field Poll just released in California finds some rather opposite results:
A plurality of 45% of Californians felt that sex between same-sex consenting adults is not at all wrong, while 36% felt they were always wrong.
40% felt that gay rights leaders are moving too fast, while 44% felt that it was moving about the right pace.
When asked if they felt that homosexual relations between consenting adults should be legal, it was essentially the exact opposite of Georgia, with 60% favoring legality and 30% opposing it.
50% believed that gay marriage should not be legalized, while 42% felt that it should be. That was probably the only good news for conservatives. However, when asked about the Federal Marriage Amendment, only 42% of Californians supported it, while 50% were opposed.
Naturally, a state like Georgia is much smaller than California (15 electoral votes to the Golden States 55), but Georgia is quite representative of most of the South, which collectively yields about 3 times the electoral votes of California. It all points to the fact that national averages are a bit misleading. If something is ideologically controversial, you can pretty well expect that the South and the Midwest will take the most conservative position while the Northeast and the West (particularly the West Coast) will take the most liberal stance. So, if 60 or 65% of Americans dont like gay marriage, you can be pretty sure that those numbers run much lower in New York and California and probably much higher in, say, Texas and Georgia. In fact, a recent Zogby poll in New Jersey found a majority supporting homosexual marriage. For those towing the liberal line, the only problem is that conservative America is much bigger than liberal America.
All of this helps us to understand why the Democratic Party is shrivelling and shrinking in America today slowly but surely. The Democrats have simply decided that its unnecessary to represent the views of mainstream America anymore, and they instead fall prostrate before the most liberal wing (and states) of their party. The politics of New York or New Jersey certainly arent a good representation of mainstream America, but thats essentially what represents the mainstream Democratic Party. The fact that at least 40% of Americans (including large percentages of blacks and Hispanics) dont even want consensual homosexual behavior legal in America isnt of any interest to almost any national Democrats, who shamelessly support every item on the gay agenda except the outright legalisation of gay marriage. Yet they wonder why they suffer stinging setbacks and defeats in states like Texas and Georgia, which, by the way, each grew by 2 electoral votes (at the expense of states like New York) over the past presidential election.
However, not all Democrats are from the liberal base. If as many as 58% of voters (and probably more) support this amendment, it's clear that there's going to be quite a few Democrats in the House and the Senate failing to represent their constituents if they refuse to support the amendment. Yet, many Democrats from deeply conservative states like the Dakotas, Louisiana or the Carolinas have so far showed themselves unwilling to support something like the FMA, let alone combat the sodomite agenda. Accordingly, many Republicans are discovering a wedge issue that may help disembowel the Democrats in the next election cycle.
To almost unanimously follow such a radical agenda, the Democrats are simply committing political suicide.
Well then shut the heck up about it before you warn them off this chosen path!
Note to the Bush Administration: public, vocal opposition to the homosexual marriage agenda will get you votes. Kowtowing to homosexuals will lose you votes.
Please act correspondingly.
Or don't. If you want to lose your broad base.
There is nothing surprising at all about these findings. These are issues that hurt the Democrats badly nationally, but in certain locations, the west coast for example, the Democrats are actually strengthened by positioning themselves this way. The west coast is America's "little France."
One of the top 3, if not the #! decisive issue.
I don't understand why you said that. It doesn't seem like sarcasm. The Constitutional ammendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman was PRESIDENT BUSH'S IDEA. He came OUT with it in reaction to that stinking SCOTUS decision which went AGAINST the Constitution.
So he made a speech at a gay meeting once. What's he supposed to do, ignore everyone? Yeah, THAT'LL help hold this country together.
There are other factors involved besides religion that entirely too few people take into account. Like insurance benefits provided to the spouses and children of workers. Gay's are a medically higher risk group, and all the ranting and crying about AIDS has not and will not change their behavior. This means they willl ALWAYS remain a high risk group and your company will wind up cutting EVERYBODY'S insurance benefits in order to pander to high-risk, same sex couples if forced to by the government. THIS is one of the benefits gays expect by demanding gay marriage. Comprende, everyone?
What's next, polygamy? Try calculating the cost of providing health insurance for 12 wives and 50 kids.
Hey, we've gotta include everybody.
Only answer: socialized health care.
How do we pay for that?
Tax the rich, give to the poor. It's for the children.
Anyone see where I'm going with this?
The leftist gay agenda hurts us morally...it'll hurt us a HECKUVALOT more financially.
It's part of the socialist agenda which is is being pushed on us by the left. If one argument doesn't work to get their agenda furthered, they always have an alternate backup angle from which to attack. While WE'RE hollaring about how gay marriage is against God's word, they simply ram it through by calling us homophobes, religious extremists and bigots...which we don't want to be. We're open minded adults....so they are STILL ramming it through using THAT tactic.
The result is STILL a socialist Utopia like Canada and France.
Homosexuals tend to die at an early age 45 yrs and this is among the population who is not infected with HIV...they live with many STDs and the consequences of such infections on their immune systems set them up for death from infections not normally considered fatal in non immune compromised heterosexuals..
To grant them marriage or a legalized domestic partnership imo would allow their "partners" eligibility for health insurance...they will dip into the same funds that normal families need for their children and spouses-
Normal familes being ones that try to eat healthy foods...excercise etc... who do not engage in health endangering activities or lifestyles..familes that do not openly court disease...
The familes of heterosexuals will of course be penalized through higher premiums co payments medicine etc..
Small businesses will be forced to drop health insurance as a perk...employees will have to pony up more and more of their income to subsidize care for patients ill with homosexually transmitted diseases
Familes will be forced to go without health insurance...and pray that nothing catastrophic happens..the result being loss of homes and college funds for their kids..
Nothing good will come of this insanity...it is just one more sign of a decaying culture...and a disgusting one at that
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It wouldn't be if they weren't foisting it on everyone.
You must be aware of the fact the homosexual activists are shoving their "private sex life" in everyone's faces with a vengeance, and that is why people like me care. If they kept their sex acts out of sight and private, and weren't trying to change the very moral standards of society, neither I nor anyone else would care.
What do you call government (state of California) mandated pro-homosexual education K-12? State ordered mandated hiring of transexuals, transgendereds, "regular" homosexuals - state ordered renting to the same? State ordered "diversity training" for all manner of agencies such as foster parents? Mandatory college freshman "Orientation" week promoting homosexuality at public colleges? Not permitting a high school student to wear a "Striaght Pride" shirt? Etc etc.
I call that government regulating Americans' personal AND public lives.
A lot depends on how the poll's questions are worded. I bet if you did a national survey and gave people that statement, you'd get a plurality who would agree with it.
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