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Polls show 2 Americas in Gay Rights
No Dems 2004

Posted on 08/30/2003 5:04:18 PM PDT by No Dems 2004

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It's just another one of many issues where the Democrats have gotten in a self-destructive mood about.
1 posted on 08/30/2003 5:04:18 PM PDT by No Dems 2004
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To: No Dems 2004
To almost unanimously follow such a radical agenda, the Democrats are simply committing political suicide.

Well then shut the heck up about it before you warn them off this chosen path!

2 posted on 08/30/2003 5:20:39 PM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: No Dems 2004; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
If as many as 58% of voters (and probably more) support this amendment, it's clear that there's going to be quite a few Democrats in the House and the Senate failing to represent their constituents if they refuse to support the amendment. Yet, many Democrats from deeply conservative states like the Dakotas, Louisiana or the Carolinas have so far showed themselves unwilling to support something like the FMA, let alone combat the sodomite agenda. Accordingly, many Republicans are discovering a wedge issue that may help disembowel the Democrats in the next election cycle.

Note to the Bush Administration: public, vocal opposition to the homosexual marriage agenda will get you votes. Kowtowing to homosexuals will lose you votes.

Please act correspondingly.

Or don't. If you want to lose your broad base.

3 posted on 08/30/2003 5:25:59 PM PDT by Polycarp ("If God does not exist, everything is permitted" - Father Felix Lubyxsynsky)
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Do you really think the sex lives of 2-3% of the population will be the decisive issue in 2004?
4 posted on 08/30/2003 5:28:01 PM PDT by TedsGarage
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Keep in mind, the Field Poll was in California. These results are completely expected for the west coast. The west coast is as different from the old south, or even the mountain west, as Tahiti is from Greenland.

There is nothing surprising at all about these findings. These are issues that hurt the Democrats badly nationally, but in certain locations, the west coast for example, the Democrats are actually strengthened by positioning themselves this way. The west coast is America's "little France."

5 posted on 08/30/2003 5:33:17 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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Do you really think the sex lives of 2-3% of the population will be the decisive issue in 2004?

One of the top 3, if not the #! decisive issue.

6 posted on 08/30/2003 5:37:03 PM PDT by Polycarp ("If God does not exist, everything is permitted" - Father Felix Lubyxsynsky)
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To: Polycarp
I remember the GOP tried to make "Family Values" the theme of the 1992 election. We know how that one turned out. I think government has better things to do than regulate Americans' personal lives, and I think most Americans agree.
8 posted on 08/30/2003 5:49:33 PM PDT by TedsGarage
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Every time you give the sexually challenged (homosexual) lobby an inch, they take a mile. The indoctrination of children by these groups begins in preschool and continues throughout the rest of thier "education". If they would confine their activities to their bedrooms, instead of pushing legislation that directly and intentionally offends the overwhelming heterosexual MAJORITY of this nation, they would have more credibility. IMHO.
9 posted on 08/30/2003 6:08:09 PM PDT by zygoat
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To: No Dems 2004
And people wonder why McClintock is not likely to win...
10 posted on 08/30/2003 6:37:20 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Polycarp
"Note to the Bush Administration: public, vocal opposition to the homosexual marriage agenda will get you votes. Kowtowing to homosexuals will lose you votes"

I don't understand why you said that. It doesn't seem like sarcasm. The Constitutional ammendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman was PRESIDENT BUSH'S IDEA. He came OUT with it in reaction to that stinking SCOTUS decision which went AGAINST the Constitution.

So he made a speech at a gay meeting once. What's he supposed to do, ignore everyone? Yeah, THAT'LL help hold this country together.

11 posted on 08/30/2003 6:40:52 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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"If you believe homosexual behavior is wrong for religious reasons (as most do), then you should also be content in your belief that those engaging in it will go to hell."

There are other factors involved besides religion that entirely too few people take into account. Like insurance benefits provided to the spouses and children of workers. Gay's are a medically higher risk group, and all the ranting and crying about AIDS has not and will not change their behavior. This means they willl ALWAYS remain a high risk group and your company will wind up cutting EVERYBODY'S insurance benefits in order to pander to high-risk, same sex couples if forced to by the government. THIS is one of the benefits gays expect by demanding gay marriage. Comprende, everyone?

What's next, polygamy? Try calculating the cost of providing health insurance for 12 wives and 50 kids.

Hey, we've gotta include everybody.

Only answer: socialized health care.

How do we pay for that?

Tax the rich, give to the poor. It's for the children.

Anyone see where I'm going with this?

The leftist gay agenda hurts us morally...it'll hurt us a HECKUVALOT more financially.

It's part of the socialist agenda which is is being pushed on us by the left. If one argument doesn't work to get their agenda furthered, they always have an alternate backup angle from which to attack. While WE'RE hollaring about how gay marriage is against God's word, they simply ram it through by calling us homophobes, religious extremists and bigots...which we don't want to be. We're open minded adults....so they are STILL ramming it through using THAT tactic.

The result is STILL a socialist Utopia like Canada and France.

12 posted on 08/30/2003 6:56:50 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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Health & Homosexuality

Homosexuals tend to die at an early age 45 yrs and this is among the population who is not infected with HIV...they live with many STDs and the consequences of such infections on their immune systems set them up for death from infections not normally considered fatal in non immune compromised heterosexuals..

To grant them marriage or a legalized domestic partnership imo would allow their "partners" eligibility for health insurance...they will dip into the same funds that normal families need for their children and spouses-

Normal familes being ones that try to eat healthy foods...excercise etc... who do not engage in health endangering activities or lifestyles..familes that do not openly court disease...

The familes of heterosexuals will of course be penalized through higher premiums co payments medicine etc..

Small businesses will be forced to drop health insurance as a perk...employees will have to pony up more and more of their income to subsidize care for patients ill with homosexually transmitted diseases

Familes will be forced to go without health insurance...and pray that nothing catastrophic happens..the result being loss of homes and college funds for their kids..

Nothing good will come of this insanity...it is just one more sign of a decaying culture...and a disgusting one at that

13 posted on 08/30/2003 7:11:20 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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14 posted on 08/30/2003 8:06:52 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: No Dems 2004
This thread is so gay.
15 posted on 08/30/2003 8:12:54 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: TedsGarage
Do you really think the sex lives of 2-3% of the population will be the decisive issue in 2004?

It wouldn't be if they weren't foisting it on everyone.

16 posted on 08/30/2003 8:53:50 PM PDT by First Amendment
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I don't care what people do in their private lives and neither should anyone else.

You must be aware of the fact the homosexual activists are shoving their "private sex life" in everyone's faces with a vengeance, and that is why people like me care. If they kept their sex acts out of sight and private, and weren't trying to change the very moral standards of society, neither I nor anyone else would care.

17 posted on 08/30/2003 8:58:27 PM PDT by First Amendment
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I think government has better things to do than regulate Americans' personal lives.

What do you call government (state of California) mandated pro-homosexual education K-12? State ordered mandated hiring of transexuals, transgendereds, "regular" homosexuals - state ordered renting to the same? State ordered "diversity training" for all manner of agencies such as foster parents? Mandatory college freshman "Orientation" week promoting homosexuality at public colleges? Not permitting a high school student to wear a "Striaght Pride" shirt? Etc etc.

I call that government regulating Americans' personal AND public lives.

18 posted on 08/30/2003 9:03:57 PM PDT by First Amendment
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I don't care what people do in their private lives and neither should anyone else.

A lot depends on how the poll's questions are worded. I bet if you did a national survey and gave people that statement, you'd get a plurality who would agree with it.

19 posted on 08/30/2003 11:52:04 PM PDT by Brandon
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To: No Dems 2004
The pro NAMBLA, anti Boy Scouts, head in the sand, dems.
20 posted on 08/31/2003 3:56:25 AM PDT by tkathy
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