Good points.
PBA would be a nice start and the polls show overwhelming support for that.
I don't wish to converse with people who are "ambivalent" to terrorism, either. Maybe I'm in the wrong forum.
That's a decision you'll have to make for yourself.
Good luck.
You said, "Conservatism to them is lower taxes and a strong military....the culture war is for we "talibanistas" as they so kindly put it."
That is well said and you are RIGHT!
Linville Gorge to the north is pretty rugged too.
We have a home at Grandfather Mt.
And no....I never saw him...lol
Why? Because many in that area don't like interlopers coming into their territory, tearing through their land? Good to see many in the area are willing to fly the flag of their ancestors, even if it does upset pansies like John Walsh
"..there were actually people standing out in their front yards/porches with the Rebel flag and shouting to him for him to go home..."
Good for them!!
My hope one day is to come back there, look up family, build a non obstrusive house on the side of a mountain (no nothing like those eyesores around Highlands and Cashiers), and live there for the rest of my life
If Roe vs. Wade was overturned, leaving states to decide for themselves on the issue of the legality of abortion, would you stop protesting in those states that decided to let abortion remain legal? I doubt it. Somehow, I don't think states rights are really something you care about in this situation.
You're fully within your rights to label everyone involved in abortion as being "in the gutter". I just hope you can understand why some people consider your "life at all costs" group to be the gutter of FreeRepublic.
"... how a good-intentioned man with pro-life views got sucked into the net of violence to fight violence ." ~ Cathryn Crawford
It could be that he and some of his friends who were helping him hide out down there in the NC mountains may be avid TBN TV watchers. From what I understand, he (and some of them) are part of the "Christian Indentity Movement". Among other things, they believe that the Jews are from "Satan's seed".
Based upon some of what I have seen posted here on FR, there may be lots of fans of some of the KOOKS that permeate the TBN airwaves.
In fact, if one wants to get a good dose of what the "Serpent-Seed" KOOK doctrine is all about, one only has to tune in to one of the TBN "Christian teachers" who teaches it ----Arnold Murray.
The serpent seed and the Kenites
Two additional distinguishing and erroneous doctrines of the Shepherd's Chapel are known as the Serpent Seed doctrine and the Kenite doctrine. These are intimately related. The Serpent Seed doctrine is the teaching that in the Garden of Eden, the serpent (the devil) had sexual relations with Eve. The result was that she bore Cain. The descendents of Cain are called Kenites. Abel, however, is the result of Adam and Eve having relations.
Arnold Murray, the pastor of the Shepherd's Chapel, is the primary advocate of these doctrines which he adamantly teaches and which his followers have adopted as biblical truth. Mr. Murray states,
When you look for the in-depth meaning of "men as trees, walking", you are able to see that Christ wants us to understand there are plantings of God and plantings of the devil. The plantings of that wicked one began in the garden of Eden with the conception of Cain and follow down through his progeny, the Kenites. (Newsletter #195, Jan 1995. See also, #202, August 1995).
The Kenites, according to Mr. Murray, must be exposed. "We must continue to teach who the Kenites are," says Mr. Murray, (Newsletter #190, August 1994). He states that the Kenites survived the flood (he denies the global flood) and are found in the lineage of Israel, not Judah, (Newsletter #179, Sept. 1993). Eventually, the Kenites permeated the nation of Israel and are the ones who shouted "Crucify Him," in reference to Jesus, (Newsletter #179, Sept. 1993).
In an attempt at biblical support, on his website at Answers to Critics, Mr. Murray states:
In Gen. 3:15 God is speaking to the serpent, "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel."
Mr. Murray infers that when God says "thy seed" to Satan, He is referring to the Kenites, the descendents of Cain which were literally produced through the literal "seed" of Satan.
Of course, I disagree with Mr. Murray in his analysis. We do not really know exactly what form Satan was in the Garden, though I will submit to God's word and affirm it was a snake of some sort. The word "serpent" is "nachash" and means serpent or snake. If we take the word literally and it means snake, then Mr. Murray would be forced to explain how a literal snake could have sexual intercourse with Eve.
If Mr. Murray were to acknowledge the potential of a figurative usage of the term here, then he needs to explain why the term "serpent" would be figurative and the term "seed" would be literal.
Furthermore, if the serpent were Satan in a different form, and Eve spoke to the serpent, then did Eve have sex with a snake or with a different form of the snake; that is, did the snake change into another more apropos form to consummate his deception?
If so, wouldn't Eve have been suspicious of a talking snake that changes form into something else with which she then agrees to sexual intercourse? As you can see, the issue, from Mr. Murray's perspective, is wrought with problems -- none of which he has answered.
Nevertheless, his entire position is easily refuted when we examine Gen. 4:1: "Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord." We can see that the Bible clearly tells us who the Father of Cain is: Adam. The Serpent Seed idea is proven wrong.
In addition, I believe that it is more natural to attribute the term "seed" in Gen. 3:15 as a reference to the spiritual decedents of Satan, not his literal ones. We can see that being a true spiritual descendent is by faith, not by biology.
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God," (Rom. 2:28-29).
"For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God," (Rom. 8:14).
"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him," (Rom. 8:16).
"That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants," (Rom. 9:8).
Clearly, being a descendent has a spiritual quality. Likewise, Satan's descendents are those who identify with him in his lies. This is why Jesus said in John 8:44 to the Pharisees, "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies."
In addition, "seed" is also referred to as the word of God (Matt. 13:18-23; Luke 8:11; 1 Pet. 1:23) and as the spiritual life in (1 John 3:9).
The whole flavor of spiritual identification with God is included in terms of being the offspring of God (Gal. 3:29; Acts 17:28) and the children of God (Rom. 8:16-17). Consider 1 John 3:9 which says, "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Obviously, the Christian does not contain the literal seed of God in him.
Seed here, must refer to a spiritual element of indwelling, of ideology, and of faith. The Christian does not practice sin. It is against his beliefs and confession. Therefore, God's seed abides in the Christian, but it isn't literal seed as a descendent through procreation, but through spiritual identification.
Us against Them
The Serpent Seed doctrine is an unscriptural and unfortunate teaching. From it is derived an "us against them" mentality in which anyone who disagrees with Mr. Murray can easily be accused of being a Kenite. This is obvious in some of his quotes:
"How many today are teaching from a quarterly written by a Kenite, rather than teaching from God's Word? (Newsletter #193, Nov. 1994).
How can we sum this up? If you are doing God's will, don't worry about criticism from others. "Well, Pastor Murray they say we are a cult." Who cares what they say? God is on our side. Victory is a certainty. Does it ever seem like the enemy is winning? Anytime you get to feeling this way, turn to Psalms 9. This Psalm tells us what we should be earnestly expecting. Keep the meaning of "apokaradokia" in mind as we read this Psalm. (Newsletter #229 - November 1997).
Of course, if you study with him you are not being deceived, but if you are studying elsewhere, you're studying with a Kenite or siding with the enemy. Such are the machinations of this leader who teaches false doctrines.
Please be very wary of the Shepherd's Chapel.
http://www.carm.org/chapel/serpent_seed.htm
Most of my time there was spent well east of Murphy, over near Highlands and Franklin. Even there, people would make "Have you seen Eric Rudolph?' references. Last time I was up (October), I actually drove through Murphy, on my way to Chattanooga. It struck me as a nice little town. It's too bad that the genuinely good folks in the area (of whom there are legions) are going to get the media smear treatment as frothing right-wing lunatics, simply because a few of them may have helped Eric Rudolph.