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Trudeau insults Christians in Easter Day Doonesbury cartoon
Doonesbury Cartoon ^ | April 20, 2003 | Gary Trudeau

Posted on 04/20/2003 10:36:35 AM PDT by JHL

On Easter of all days, Gary Trudeau uses his Doonesbury cartoon to insult Christians in general, and George Bush's faith in particular. How quick the liberals are to condemn someone else's faith and belief system, but just let a Christian say anything negative about another's belief system and how quick they are to invoke an injunction against "judgementalism."

You can read the cartoon for yourself at the following link CLICK HERE for cartoon


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antibush; antichristian; bc; bushbashing; cartoonist; cartoonists; christian; christianity; christiansoldier; comic; comics; comicstrip; comicstrips; creationism; crevolist; doonesbury; easter; evolution; johnnyhart; mrjanepauley; trudeau
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To: Ichneumon
Oh, puh-leaze...

Darwinian evolution bears little if any resemblance to the Hindu notion of changing incarnations.

If that's your best shot at demonstrating that the scientific field of evolution is a "religious doctrine", don't waste our time.

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There is nothing scientific about Darwinism, but evidently you are unable to admit that. You are positing your (religious) faith in that unproveable theory by your very post. Decorating your faith with scientific jargon does nothing to alter its underlying religious nature.)

Yes: I know that Creationism is unproveable, as well, but at least I (unabashedly) admit that my convictions are religious and faith-based (albeit uncontradicted by any true science).



161 posted on 04/20/2003 11:02:07 PM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: LikeLight
Biology teaches that spontaneous generation is an outdated myth, and yet continues to teach spontaneous generation (life from chemical soup) as truth.

Different kinds, different circumstances, different processes.

Science was correct in calling alchemy (including its belief that lead could be transmuted into gold) a collection of little more than old-wive's tales and myths.

And yet, with a particle accelerator, it is today possible to irradiate a lead target and convert, via nuclear physics, some of the lead atoms into gold atoms. But that's done via methods that bear no resemblance whatsoever to those the alchemists were dabbling with. It neither vindicates the alchemists, nor invalidates modern nuclear physics.

Similarly, the fact that ancient peoples believed that unliving material could give *sudden* origin to living creatures (i.e. flies "arising" from rotting meat, mice from moldy grain, fruit flies from rotten fruit, rats from sewage) was rightfully disproved as ignorant superstition.

But this hardly invalidates the idea that some form of extremely simple chemical replicators could manage form from vast oceans of chemicals over vast periods of time, and that once a replicating system beings reproducing itself, its products will vary, the variations in the products will lead to differential success, and differential success will lead to change over time (and the more time, the more change).

This is the very definition of intellectual bankruptcy.

Actually, what's truly "intellectually bankrupt" is trying to compare "garbage gives birth to rats within days" to the modern fields of abiogenesis and evolution and then pretending that you've made any sort of point worth making.

162 posted on 04/20/2003 11:15:18 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: BenR2
Since you didn't attempt to defend your "Hindu" analogy, I'll presume that you wisely dropped it.

There is nothing scientific about Darwinism,

Of course there is:

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for the Theory of Common Descent with Gradual Modification

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ

Evidence for Evolution An Eclectic Survey

The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence

Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Human Evolution

Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics: Another argument in the evolution-creation controversy

Introduction to Evolutionary Biology

Macroevolution: Scientific Proof?

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Evolution and Philosophy: Is Evolution Science, and What Does 'Science' Mean?

Evolution and Philosophy: Is evolution just another religion?

Isn't Evolution a Religion?

Is Science a Religion? (with specific emphasis on evolution)

but evidently you are unable to admit that.

I make it a point not to "admit" falsehoods.

You are positing your (religious) faith in that unproveable theory by your very post. Decorating your faith with scientific jargon does nothing to alter its underlying religious nature.)

Evolution is a science, and I treat it as such.

Your calling it my "religion" does not make it so.

but at least I (unabashedly) admit that my convictions are religious and faith-based

And with regards to your beliefs, you are most likely correct. Don't presume to mischaracterize mine, though.

163 posted on 04/20/2003 11:41:06 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
I've always believed that the universe was infinite. That the universe is filled with a large variety of life that is constantly coming into being. Would you agree? I found it interesting in one of your posts you state something to the effect that evolution is constantly creating new life. Did you mean new life forms coming into existence on their own, or the traditional evolution meaning coming into existence as the result of a less complex life form changing into a more complex, different life form?

You also state Belief in the process of evolution is no different from a belief in the process of erosion, lightning formation, or gravity. That hardly requires us to approve and/or look the other way when the results are contrary to human compassion or concerns. Erosion is a natural process, but I'm not going to allow a landslide to happen and bury a town. Gravity is a natural process, but I'm not going to let a child fall off a cliff.

I would think that these analogies contradict evolution as most of us understand it. Evolution must let that child fall off the cliff so to speak. Otherwise it must first create the intelligent agent that can act independent of the radomness of nature.

164 posted on 04/20/2003 11:59:48 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Ichneumon
When I say 'evolution,' I'm referring to the notion that man evolved from lower primates, as is shoved down the throats of students from the first grade on.

Not one missing link fossil has ever been found showing a transition from one species to another, yet the notion that it happened is treated as fact.

Carbon dating has on many occasions indicated ages that vary by many thousands of years, from different parts of the same body.

The "age rings" in the ice core from Greenland (I could be wrong on the location) that allegedly showed an age of many many thousands of years, until a WWII aircraft was found underneath those thousands of years worth of ice.

Fossilized dinosaur and human footprints found together.

The ever-changing "age" of the earth, from one billion years to two billion to, what is it now, four and a half billion?

The notion that we all evolved from a "simple" singe-celled organism--that notion has suffered quite a blow since these organisms turn out not to be simple at all, but rather are incredibly complex machines that show intelligent design.

The circular reasoning of using fossils present in certain strata to date the layer, while also using strata to date the fossils.

The biggest aspect of the lie is the fact that evolution is taught not as what it is, a theory. It is presented as scientific fact despite the utter lack of empirical evidence to support it. Virtually all elementary science textbooks will contain some variation of this line: Millions of years ago, dinosaurs walked the earth. There is no way that stating that something happened millions of years ago can possibly be anything other than theory. Is it treated that way, though? Nope. Fact is, it's dogmatic.

When you mention the notion of a Creator and evolution, I'm not sure exactly where you're coming from. I certainly concede that microevolution is reality. Not macroevolution, however. And lumping the two together is how the issue is handled. They're presented as a part of the same package, so that the observable truth of microevolution (variations) lends credence to macroevolution.

There are many, many more inconsistencies in the evolution theory I've read or seen pointed out, but I don't remember well enough to present them here. I've also seen survey results that show only a slight majority, around 55% if memory serves, of scientists from related fields believe in evolution as taught. But few are willing to publicly challenge it, for to do that is perilous to one's career.

I'm not a scientist, just a layman who happens to believe that the Holy Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God, who created the universe and all within it. Despite what you or anyone else believes on the topic right now, you too will believe at the end of the day when every knee shall bow. That's reality that will happen and I praise God that I know it already.

The bottom line is that evolution is one of satan's most successful lies. Get someone to doubt one part of the Bible and you're well on your way to killing their faith in God, which is exactly what satan wants.

If you're a scientist or teacher in the field, however, there are creationists who will gladly debate you or any professor at any university. There's also a standing $250,000 offer out there for anyone who can present straightforward empirical evidence of evolution as taught.

MM out.

165 posted on 04/21/2003 12:32:30 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Ichneumon
Ever heard of design theory?
166 posted on 04/21/2003 3:04:51 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Ichneumon
Theory w/o reality (( facts // evidence )) is psychosis ...

CULTS -- brainwashing // indoctrination ...

mass hysteria --- ideology // witchcraft !

Social -- political engineering (( peer pressure ))...

strange esoteric socialized govt science ---

bolshevik ELITE -- monopoly in America ?
167 posted on 04/21/2003 3:31:55 AM PDT by f.Christian (( Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be. ))
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To: LikeLight
The strip insults and mischaracterizes Christians and those who reject evolutionary theory.

You clearly haven't even bothered to read the strip for yourself. This kind of unthinking knee-jerk reaction is exactly the sort of thing anti-Christian trolls are counting on. How sad that you've been taken in.
168 posted on 04/21/2003 4:26:59 AM PDT by Hillary? Hell no!
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To: Ichneumon
Nice links. Here's a few more:

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense (From Scientific American).
The Hall of Human Ancestors.
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [21st Revision].

169 posted on 04/21/2003 7:14:17 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Anamensis
If Tredeau wants to believe he's the decendant of monkeys, I won't argue with him. .
And if you want to believe you're made out of dust and spit...

I believe a powerful God can take that "dust and spit" and assemble it into a living breathing creature with soul, that is nothing less than an engineering marvel. He also gave the promise of rewards after my time here is over.

What did those monkeys promise you?
170 posted on 04/21/2003 7:50:28 AM PDT by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: PatrickHenry
blue flatulence-free placemarker
171 posted on 04/21/2003 8:15:40 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: Ichneumon
Belief in the process of evolution is no different from a belief in the process of erosion, lightning formation, or gravity. That hardly requires us to approve and/or look the other way when the results are contrary to human compassion or concerns. Erosion is a natural process, but I'm not going to allow a landslide to happen and bury a town. Gravity is a natural process, but I'm not going to let a child fall off a cliff.

Why? Why do you assume there is some sort of "morality" or list of "shoulds" and "shouldn'ts" at work in a random, meaningless universe? Who cares?

Cockroaches are far more successful at leaving offspring than human beings, and they don't have "compassion." They don't have moral/ethical systems. Why are we any different? After all, the universe is random and meaningless. There is no metaphysical imperative that makes the death of one or of millions "bad." Who is to say? Your silly hang-ups perhaps? Why should your hang-ups have any authority over anyone else? Even if your hang-ups are shared by billions, they are still only subjective hang-ups devoid of any objective meaning. If G-d's commandments are so onerous, then why am I supposed to acquiesce in your groundless emotional hang-ups?

If there is an objective morality, it comes from the Creator. If there is no Creator there is no morality, regardless of the silly assertions of Hellenic/Confucian humanists who require a totalitarian state to give someone's subjective hang-ups a purely practical objectivity.

You haven't answered two of my questions. Why do you reject sexual taboos that come from religion while retaining religion's other taboos on things like murder? And why do you want me but not Rev. Al Sharpton or the Sioux to believe in evolution?

172 posted on 04/21/2003 9:04:01 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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To: Lancey Howard
Pathetic!!! Explains WHAT C's??? Is he admitting that there is no Free Speech in academia?? He wasn't even a Christian when he earned his MBA at Harvard. He was Born Again 15 years ago?? Wonder what kind of toilet paper degree Tredeau has??? So dumb he has an undergrad at Yale and a graduate degree at Harvard where Kennedy couldn't finish w/o daddy buying a library??? Typical braindead hatefilled liberalism.

Pray for GW and the Truth

173 posted on 04/21/2003 9:31:10 AM PDT by bray (Old Glory Means Freedom)
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To: Hillary? Hell no!
As I recall, the cartoon used the shadow of a menorah morphing into the shadow of a cross. Certainly more of a direct slap on Judaism than this cartoon.
Rather than a slap, Christianity morphed from Judaism. Christianity and Judasim are not the same but Christianity (coined from the greek word Christ for the hebrew Messiah) has roots in Judaism. It's not an insult. It is mearly historical truth.
174 posted on 04/21/2003 9:33:21 AM PDT by CCCnative
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To: eddie willers
Has Zonker become gay?

Zonker and the other guy should be renamed "Neal and Bob."

175 posted on 04/21/2003 9:34:07 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: JHL
86 Doonsbury and bring back Bloom County!!!
176 posted on 04/21/2003 9:39:26 AM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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To: Disgusted in Texas
Me, too!
177 posted on 04/21/2003 9:58:27 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: friendly
The difference between Adams and Tru-duh is that Adams is a true genius, with a razor sharp satirical sense. Well, that and absolutely no artistic talent, as he freely admits.

I was really thinking about the statement that someone else draws his cartoons, but I would imagine getting ideas from readers is not all that unusual.

Tru-duh is boring and fake, as one would expect from a democrat.

You haven't been paying a lot of attention to Republicans in the last 10 or so years, have you?

178 posted on 04/21/2003 10:07:21 AM PDT by nanny
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To: TedsGarage
It's a cartoon, TG. Cartoons can believe in anything they want (smile).
179 posted on 04/21/2003 10:08:17 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: nmh
Good answer, nmh. I'm with you.
180 posted on 04/21/2003 10:13:42 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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