Spiting their pretty faces

World Net Daily ^ | February 3, 2003 | Vox Day

[softengine]

He makes many good points but fails to mention those of us 30-something women with successfull careers, financial stability, education, better than decent looks, and no guy to snuggle (or other) with on a cold night.

I'm not steeped in feminism. I listen to it with disdain, hearing it daily as I do from my much younger coworkers. But they have dates come Friday. They may screw up those dates with their none too subtle Gandylike views, but they do have dates.

So the good guys end up choosing those with aspirations to Nannydom and Tupperware parties. Could it be that they ARE afraid of those with more than two brain cells to rub together? And yes, I am donning the Nanny flame suit as I write this? (I actually like Nannies. I've found them very convenient, hard working, dependable.....)

[Archangelsk]

Fear may be a reason, but one can't discount the competitive reason also. When a man sees an advesary, in this case - as stupid as it sounds - a woman who is trying to take over the pack, the primitive reptilian brain kicks in and does the flight or fight thing. The fight thing in this case is to deny what his competitor wants, and in this case - again as stupid as this sounds - what she wants has been programmed into her own version of the reptilian brain.

[Voltage]

Let me lay out the path: Dating, Courtship, Marriage, Children, Divorce papers, Wife goes nuclear...falsely claims child abuse, Man left pennyless.

And there is a shortage of men?

[Scupoli]

The hard reality is this. There is no guarantee any person will marry in their lifetime, male or female. It behooves any woman to get an education and a good job which will pay the rent and put food on the table in the event Mr. Right does not come along. There are no discounts or freebies for single women waiting for husbands. There is no fund to support them until marriage occurs.

Years ago people married to survive in the world. Times have changed and so have people's ideas about marriage. If one's priority is love and compatibility there is no control over when and how that will occur no matter how nice a person is. I know plenty of nice people both male and female who are still single and looking.

[lawdude]

Damn betcha. The homely gal with the big smile, two snot-nosed kids hanging on, and a contented husband is far, far happier than J-Lo ever will be!

[marron]

My advice is always this... involve yourself with something outside of work that you care about. Anyone you meet there, in the course of this, is already self-selected as someone who cares about the same things you do.

And if you never meet the one you're looking for, still, your life will have meant something, having been devoted to something you care about.

And never settle, where character is concerned. Nobody is ever going to fulfill anyone else's perfect list of requirements, most of the things we say we want won't matter when the right one comes along. But character always matters. What drives him, what makes him mad, what frightens him, how does he handle fear and anger, what besides himself does he live for. Who is he when there is no one there to see.

[ParadigmLost]

Wow, that was very well said.

I agree 100%

[softengine]

The wrong path again! Mine died, left me pennyless (discounting my affirmative action inflated income), gazoodles of medical bills, and two children to raise alone.

I wanna try the other path...........kidding.

[Our man in washington]

Softengine wrote:

"He makes many good points but fails to mention those of us 30-something women with successfull careers, financial stability, education, better than decent looks, and no guy to snuggle (or other) with on a cold night.

I'm not steeped in feminism. I listen to it with disdain, hearing it daily as I do from my much younger coworkers. But they have dates come Friday. They may screw up those dates with their none too subtle Gandylike views, but they do have dates."

WHAT!!!! You're a successful smart woman, and you treat feminism with disdain? You're a woman and you dare to go against political correctness?

As a single successful educated reasonably good looking 36 year-old man, let me just say that I find it very sad....

That we live two thousand miles apart. Dang.

:)

[apackof2]

I think this article does make some very goods points however I also wonder with you when you say

Could it be that they ARE afraid of those with more than two brain cells to rub together?

I am what was commonly referred to as a "spit-fire" personality. Maureen O'Hara type not finding any John Waynes'.
When I look around I see a lot of men do go for the demure Tupperware party-type
(don't misunderstand, nothing wrong with demure or Tupperware)

[NativeNewYorker]

10. Limit yourself to five complaints and demands a day.

This is far and away the funniest thing I've read in a while.

Personally, I'd settle for five AN HOUR.

Now, I have to get off the computer before the Mrs. sees this. :)

[apackof2]

That we live two thousand miles apart. Dang.

Ever heard of an airplane? :>)

[Capitalist Eric]

OK, putting on my flame-retardent suit, preparing to respond...

OK....

Ready... ;-)

For starters, whether or not you tend to believe in idealistic feminism, there are some severe contradictions in contemporary society, that are taught to women.

Consider, that women are taught that they can be CEO of a Fortune-500 company, a fighter-jock, as much (if not more) of a man, then men are... That women and men are exactly the same, with no differences (show me a man that can give birth to a child, and I'll call him a woman ;-)), etc... In short, women are generally taught that they can be ALL these things, involving personal power... and yet, be vulnerable and dependant on someone else, when it comes to a relationship... These contradictions of message put Western women (generally speaking, here) in quite a bind. And... supposing, for the sake of argument, that a woman can be all these things, and have children and a home- when would she sleep?

Southern belles, as the author pointed out, easily get the things they want- not by trying to be more of a man then men are, but by capitalizing on their feminity, the one thing that men simply can't battle...

Men are simplistic, linear-thinking creatures, for the most part. We compete with each other on a physical level- which women can't realistically compete on... We compete aggressively, even beating the living hell out of each other, to be at the top of the pecking-order... But when the man comes home at night, a lady, with the right smile and a sweet tone to her voice, asks him to do something...? And he meekly says, "ok, honey..." LOL... All the masculine prowess in the world is pathetic, next to the weapons that a wise woman has at her disposal...

Class, femininity, charm... These things can overpower a man, far more efficiently than anything else.

An old Russian expression, "the man is at the wheel of the ship, the woman holds it in her palm." Something to think about...

After having travelled extensively outside the sphere of "western" influence...? I know that I will never get re-married to a woman from the USA, or probably any other western country... Too crass, too crude. Too arrogant and blatantly selfish...

And, while there are certainly nice, good-hearted women to be found here in the USA...? There are far more women with enough emotional baggage (sufficient to choke American Airlines) than not... I'll go where the odds are a lot better...

Because I can... And I will... Considering that 1/3 of all legal immigration to this country (according to the latest INS reports) are foreign spouses of American citizens, it seems logical that I'm not the only American man who has come to this conclusion...

Good luck, on finding your Mr. Right... ;-))) They're out there... but there aren't that many, by my observations... :-\

[David Isaac]

The article made some sense. A wise person once said that America's enemies will never have to lift a finger because Americans will find a way to defeat themselves. The was even before the idea of ZPG (ZERO POPULATION GROWTH) came along. America will collapse because American's believe they have transcended the laws of nature and can think and/or wish their way into the perfect world.

[apackof2]

I know that I will never get re-married to a woman from the USA, or probably any other western country... Too crass, too crude. Too arrogant and blatantly selfish...

You obviously don't know where to look.......try church...... you might change your mind

[apackof2]

America will collapse because American's believe they have transcended the laws of nature

No America will collapse because we have transcended the laws of God

[Nick Danger]

Fear may be a reason, but one can't discount the competitive reason also.

Seconded. Men's lives are competition. They compete for women, for jobs, for everything they get in life. The last thing they want to come to home to, at the end of a long day, is another competitor.

[lady lawyer]

He left out the one my mother taught me -- why buy the cow if you can milk it through the fence.

[friendly]

Let me lay out the path: Dating, Courtship, Marriage, Children, Divorce papers, Wife goes nuclear...falsely claims child abuse, Man left pennyless. And there is a shortage of men?

Good article and good points.

The corrupt lawyer industry is ferociously destroying the institution of marraige. And in the unlikely event they marry, sane men would NEVER choose a feminist b*tch from h*ll!

[MHGinTN]

whew! Let me get these asbestos undies on and I'll ... there.

What about the nesting instinct? Has no one thought that the man may have an unconscious desire to mate and live with a nesting female? Career women with employment drive are not generally as well suited to applying that drive within the less flashy 'home and hearth' context. The above posts read like women think men are beauty driven, or 'find me a dumb one I can dominate' driven. They might be unconsciously driven by 'find one that wants to share a nest and nestlings' driven. Looks are only one piece of the pie of contentment. Men want to nest, also. It's in their developmental and recent past ... a bot grows to his teens within the relationship to a woman maintaining a nest, nesting in one form or another. Denesting breeds more denested.

['Pawsing' now to hike up my asbestos coverings ... I'm a Leo, my paws have claws.]