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To: softengine
OK, putting on my flame-retardent suit, preparing to respond...

OK....

Ready... ;-)

For starters, whether or not you tend to believe in idealistic feminism, there are some severe contradictions in contemporary society, that are taught to women.

Consider, that women are taught that they can be CEO of a Fortune-500 company, a fighter-jock, as much (if not more) of a man, then men are... That women and men are exactly the same, with no differences (show me a man that can give birth to a child, and I'll call him a woman ;-)), etc... In short, women are generally taught that they can be ALL these things, involving personal power... and yet, be vulnerable and dependant on someone else, when it comes to a relationship... These contradictions of message put Western women (generally speaking, here) in quite a bind. And... supposing, for the sake of argument, that a woman can be all these things, and have children and a home- when would she sleep?

Southern belles, as the author pointed out, easily get the things they want- not by trying to be more of a man then men are, but by capitalizing on their feminity, the one thing that men simply can't battle...

Men are simplistic, linear-thinking creatures, for the most part. We compete with each other on a physical level- which women can't realistically compete on... We compete aggressively, even beating the living hell out of each other, to be at the top of the pecking-order... But when the man comes home at night, a lady, with the right smile and a sweet tone to her voice, asks him to do something...? And he meekly says, "ok, honey..." LOL... All the masculine prowess in the world is pathetic, next to the weapons that a wise woman has at her disposal...

Class, femininity, charm... These things can overpower a man, far more efficiently than anything else.

An old Russian expression, "the man is at the wheel of the ship, the woman holds it in her palm." Something to think about...

After having travelled extensively outside the sphere of "western" influence...? I know that I will never get re-married to a woman from the USA, or probably any other western country... Too crass, too crude. Too arrogant and blatantly selfish...

And, while there are certainly nice, good-hearted women to be found here in the USA...? There are far more women with enough emotional baggage (sufficient to choke American Airlines) than not... I'll go where the odds are a lot better...

Because I can... And I will... Considering that 1/3 of all legal immigration to this country (according to the latest INS reports) are foreign spouses of American citizens, it seems logical that I'm not the only American man who has come to this conclusion...

Good luck, on finding your Mr. Right... ;-))) They're out there... but there aren't that many, by my observations... :-\

13 posted on 02/03/2003 6:42:08 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: Capitalist Eric
I know that I will never get re-married to a woman from the USA, or probably any other western country... Too crass, too crude. Too arrogant and blatantly selfish...

You obviously don't know where to look.......try church...... you might change your mind

15 posted on 02/03/2003 6:45:48 PM PST by apackof2
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To: Capitalist Eric
DG: You never met me. I was born here but raised by a british colonial and a first generation American of contry Italian descent. I'm not crass, selfish or crude, certainly not arrogant, selfish. However, my sister went on a trip to Europe and this is the attitude of European young men towards American women (until they get to know them). It's all because of the MTV culture and super feminism. Although it seemed as if they were very different cultures, I believe my father was attracted to my mother because she was not bitchy American wench. She never accepted money from him or gifts until she really got to know him.

Personally, I am told I scare men away. When a man approaches me, the first thing out of my mouth is that I don't believe in premarital sex and kissing. I also am not interested in dating, I want to get married, no birth control,etc. My husband won't be buying lunch from a vending machine, I'll bring him lunch. He will be greeted with a warmed up pair of houseshoes, a cup of coffee and me asking him how his day was. If he is in a tee'd off mood, then well you know... whatever wives are supposed to do!That's what a real woman does for her husband. This is how I was raised in my house, traditional british colonial italian household I lived in. I am not ashamed of that. Someday a man would be happy to marry the last American virgin... LOL
33 posted on 02/03/2003 7:06:40 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Capitalist Eric
Sequencing is absolutely essential to the have-it-all female life. And modern reproductive technology is making that easier and easier -- the generation of women who are now in their teens won't have to worry a bit about their "biological clocks".

The women who try to have it all at the same time will usually end up really having neither.
41 posted on 02/03/2003 7:19:55 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Capitalist Eric
After having travelled extensively outside the sphere of "western" influence...? I know that I will never get re-married to a woman from the USA, or probably any other western country... Too crass, too crude. Too arrogant and blatantly selfish.

Didn't John Wayne Bobbit do that (marry a woman from a non-western country)? Watch out for those women in Venezuela.

You might also want to be aware that the practice of women severing men's penises appears to be well-known in Thailand, Korea, and the Philippines so go with caution (and maybe a steel jock strap). (for more info and not for the squeamish, see http://iupjournals.org/nwsa/nws8-3.html)

157 posted on 02/03/2003 8:39:54 PM PST by hotpotato
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To: Capitalist Eric
College-eduated American women have been sold a terrificly bad bill of goods by a bunch of chronically unhappy man-haters in the feminist movement.

The undeniable truth is that "you can't have it all" and this is particularly true for women because of the biological imperatives involved with child bearing.

The author of the piece (Vox Day) was reacting to a book by Barbara Dafoe Whitehead. This book was notable for the complete superficiality of its analysis as Ms. Whitehead missed the most important factor behind the rise in the number of singles: the escalating financial and psychological risk of divorce.

Men are are not stupid and from a purely selfish perspective it is not smart for young men to get married today. In general it is possible to obtain sexual gratification these days outside marriage with very little of the social stigma this type activity used to impose. The social calculus is obvious: men are able to get sex and companionship without the risks of divorce. Why should they get married?

This state affairs is, of course, a disaster for society and for women. Women should thank the feminist leadership for giving them a society in which male sexual license has become the main organizing principle (greedy lawyers should also get an honorable mention).
164 posted on 02/03/2003 8:44:03 PM PST by ggekko
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To: Capitalist Eric
College-eduated American women have been sold a terrificly bad bill of goods by a bunch of chronically unhappy man-haters in the feminist movement.

The undeniable truth is that "you can't have it all" and this is particularly true for women because of the biological imperatives involved with child bearing.

The author of the piece (Vox Day) was reacting to a book by Barbara Dafoe Whitehead. This book was notable for the complete superficiality of its analysis as Ms. Whitehead missed the most important factor behind the rise in the number of singles: the escalating financial and psychological risk of divorce.

Men are are not stupid and from a purely selfish perspective it is not smart for young men to get married today. In general it is possible to obtain sexual gratification these days outside marriage with very little of the social stigma this type activity used to impose. The social calculus is obvious: men are able to get sex and companionship without the risks of divorce. Why should they get married?

This state affairs is, of course, a disaster for society and for women. Women should thank the feminist leadership for giving them a society in which male sexual license has become the main organizing principle (greedy lawyers should also get an honorable mention).
168 posted on 02/03/2003 8:45:04 PM PST by ggekko
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