Report on Ellen Ratner's "Dead Americans" Comment

special to FreeRepublic ^ | 2 January 2003 | Congressman Billybob (J. Armor, Esq.)

[Budge]

Re-read what Congressman Billybob wrote. You posted CBB's question to Ratner he had planned to ask.

If that question to her upset you more than Ratner's statement, then I feel sorry for you.

[Petronski]

I don't see where she used the words 'dead Americans.' I realize it is implied in what she hopes will happen, but since you are calling it that, and in quotes, it is implied she used those words.

[VOYAGER]

Anyone who has ever worn a uniform would know how inaccurate this statement is.

Wars can be screwed up in many ways, including not acting at all, acting at the wrong times or attacking the wrong targets.

To get upset with this statement or try to stretch it into something it is not is a bit much.

I wore the uniform at the time it was fashionable and proud and those who didn't for whatever reason didn't go around bragging about it.

People like Ellen Ratner are so full of their own personal bitterness probably caused by being exposed for what they really are, a bunch of powerless losers, that they lash out with the only weapon they have, their mouths which gush forth defeatism and character assassination.

I will tell you what a "bit much" is, it's when you're blown to bits by an enemy bomb or shell.

Ratner and others of her ilk who trash our Armed Forces with their airheaded remarks, this same Armed Forces, they so despise, protect their sorry carcasses from the same "bit much"!

[DoughtyOne]

Good call Billybob. As others have noted, most the Dems hope for the same thing. And that's why I frequently muse about the ability for any thinking person to be a Democrat these days. They are perfectly willing to see this nation and it's citizens harmed in order to regain or maintain power. In my book that's pure evil. The more the Republicans avoid compromise and highlight these acts of treason, the better they'll fair in upcoming elections.

Never fail to out the Dems for the miscreants they are!

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Ratner, along with her brothers, is a bona fide Commie.

She appears everyday, usually at 2:30 PM eastern, on the BQ View on Radio America with Blanquita Cullum. That needs to stop as well.

bq@radioamerica.org

A match made in Moscow.

[Wurlitzer]

"I certainly agree with you on this. Let's have her explain before we attribute things to her that simply are not there in the text of her statement."

Sort of how the axis of evil left hung Lott for something he NEVER said.

[Piquaboy]

A typical comment for a liberal to make. They would sell their soul to have another Rat in the white house.

[7thson]

I think you misunderstood me. I am not in your camp. I believe she is a traitor and wants not only the United States to fail, but wants U.S. service members to die. My statement was not meant to agree with you, but to hold Ratner's feet to the fire. Being that she did not explain herself on the program immediately after her initial statement, indicates to me that she wants the United States to fail and military members to die. She is no better than Margaret Carlson who stated that the only reason U.S. service members reside in Florida is because they do not want to pay taxes.

[Congressman Billybob]

I made it quite clear when I was quoting Ratner, and when I was not. Given that, the phrase "Dead Americans" is MY summary of the necessary meaning of her actual words. I make that clear as well.

Ratner said she "hopes" for President Bush to "mess up the war." I make it clear that Presidents cannot mess up any war without it leading to "dead Americans." If you agree with that conclusion, then you agree with my post.

Billybob

[mathluv]

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[marty60]

The only thing to remember about Evil Dum is that they depend on Death, depression and ignorance as their issues. They never have a positive message. Only misery, and ofcourse if the masses will give up their freedom, the Evil Dums will take care of you.

The Repubs must always fight ignorance. An educated public can not be hoodwinked(hopefully)

[Snardius]

"They would sell their soul to have another Rat in the white house."

You assume, after Clinton, that they have one to sell...

[mathluv]

Look at Clinton's bombing of the asprin factory. That sillyness caused him as much harm in his role of Commander in Chief than causualites.

I missed something. How was he harmed?

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

eratner@worldnetdaily.com

[Tallguy]

You are very correct in your contention that wars can be screwed-up in many ways besides body count, but Ms. Ratner's analysis of the present confrontation is way to shallow for her to have meant anything else. I think that she probably was referring to 'excessive American casualties' when she revealed her hope that Pres. Bush would "screw-up" the impending war with Iraq. Ms. Ratner hasn't demonstrated sufficient knowledge in the fields of foreign or military affairs to have meant anything else. She is just another 60's radical projecting her Vietnam-experience into the present circumstance.

[reformedliberal]

Billybob, do you have some citations for this? It has become so entrenched in political "history" that proof will be needed to convince anyone otherwise.

[Piquaboy]

Good Point and one I had not thought of.

[Congressman Billybob]

AS I SAID IN THE MAIN POST, DO NOT -- I REPEAT, DO NOT -- BOTHER TO SEND ANY E-MAILS TO RATNER. She counts all such e-mail as "hate mail." It just makes her feel more justified in her dumb and deadly ideas.

Billybob

[Congressman Billybob]

It was one of the debunking websites that tracked the supermarket scanner/Bush I story to find out what really happened. You'll have to do your own homework to find it again. But my memory is solid; and the description I gave is correct.

Billybob

[posterkid]

Ratner: Unless he messes up the war -- I hope.

This seems to have been taken out of context. Not having seen this exchange (or even being familiar with Ratner's name), the immediate impression I have is that she was saying "GWB will be re-elected, that much is a given. But I hope that if he screws up the war he gets sent out after one term."
Some context for the questions just before her line would seem to be appropriate.