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Smallpox Comitatus
self ^ | 12/18/02 | Self

Posted on 12/17/2002 11:13:33 PM PST by Joe 6-pack

Title 18 USC., Part I, Chap. 67 Sec. 1385. - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution....

Article I.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to...

...provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

...define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

... declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

... make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

... make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Section 9.

...The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

Article II

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States..."

So much has been made in recent days about how badly the Constitution will be scarred by the use of U.S. Military on U.S. soil in the event of terrorist acts following up to the September 11, 2001 attacks. Many of these issues are raised by so-called libertarians who profess to be Constitutional purists, who lose sight of the fact that at the time of the drafting of our Constitution, and for some period thereafter, the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. military activity took place on U.S. soil. Moreover, many of these same persons heretofore railed against the projection of U.S. military force abroad, cautioning against, "foreign entanglements."

The facts of the matter are thus...

We have been attacked...in a manner more viscious than Pearl Harbor, the incursions of Pancho Villa, the sinking of the Lusiitania, or any other assault against our nation suffered during the 20th Century.

Efforts to continue attacks against our nation continue.

Liberal immigration policies have permitted the enemy to grow within.

Posse Comitatus is NOT an integral part of the Constitution; rather a proscription against the use of the Federal military in a law enforcement capacity against U.S. Civilians, UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. Exceptions have been written into the law, and, believe it or not, U.S. Military frequently supports U.S. Law enforcement in the following capacities...

1. Virtually not a day goes by where U.S. Army bomb detector K9s support the U.S. Secret Service, State deprtment, or DoD who request K9 sweeps in anticipation of dignitary visits.

2. U.S. Army / AF EOD personnel support local law enforcement who encounter unexploded U.S. or foreign, "souvenier," munitions or other IEDs which exceed the technical capacity of local EOD personnel.

When the enemy is within, are we to believe that the Department of Defense no longer has a role because the opponent is on U.S. soil? This is perhaps one the most absurd notions that political commentators of any stripe have ever proffered. Most curiously, the concept is most fiercely advocated by those who've tried to minimize the DoD's role abroad, suggesting that forward projection is not a matter of defense. We are a nation at war, and the warfighting component of the government should be given the lead.

Persons arguing aginst the DoD's role in the current conflict on Constitutional grounds need to realize that the DoD, formerly, the War Department, is Constitutionally organized and has a Constitutional role...on U.S. soil and beyond.

While I don't pretend to know more than anyone else on the subject, I can confidently assert that I know more than most. I served as an active duty military police officer in the U.S. Army for ten years. In my last two years, I served on a Defense Coordinating Element (DCE) responsible for organizing DoD support for FEMA ops in the event of natural or man-made disasters. I resigned effectively, in December 2000, prior to 9/11. Up to that time, to my awareness, FEMA officials, and military supervisors were painfully cognizant of the implications of Posse Comitatus and virtually all contingency planning was conducted with such considerations...even in cases where, in my opinion, justifications for exceptions were valid.

I've been deployed to quite a few of the world's finest sh!t-holes and have been inoculated against everything from Bubonic Plague, to Japanese Encephilitas to Yellow Fever. I've never developed any symptoms greater than an itchy arm. My immunization record is far longer and more replete than my resume will ever be, and I've yet to suffer ill-effects. Should a small-pox vaccine come available tomorrow, I'd accept it, not because it was mandated, but simply, because I really don't want to contract small-pox!


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To: FormerLurker; Sabertooth
It was your buddy Sabertooth that pinged the Admin. I simply responded in kind...

Now, just WHAT are you implying about me and Sabertooth? Honestly!

61 posted on 12/22/2002 1:04:23 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: FormerLurker
You have posted zero facts, do not CARE about evidence, and have simply posted diatribes and insults.
I posted the facts and answers to your propaganda at #18, nutjob.
I insulted you after you refused to address the internal contradictions of your quackery.

Buh bye.




62 posted on 12/22/2002 1:37:57 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: dighton; hellinahandcart
Better hope exorcism works, 'cuz if that fails you're stuck with trepanning.

I believe the Navajo got good results from peyote in these cases. Well, results, anyway...

63 posted on 12/22/2002 1:43:36 PM PST by general_re
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To: Admin Moderator; Sabertooth; All
I agree with the decision to part company with(ban)Former Lurker....I have no problem with those I disagree with around here ....disagreement is healthy ....but this person was attempting to proselyitize in an area (health) and I think that is dangerous. Anyone is free to disregard sound medical advice but they should not attempt to convince others, when the consequences can be so severe. I am no expert on medicine but I know someone who is very involved with smallpox and bio weapons and I take the threat seriously....Who knows for sure if we will be attacked but the recent actions of our government show they are concerned...I will get a vaccine if and when it becomes available I hope others will do the same
64 posted on 12/22/2002 1:56:00 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie
I was just saying to someone that I will get vaccinated only if and when there's an outbreak, but I would never discourage anyone from getting it beforehand "just in case", that's their decision to make. I also think that some of the hysterical anti-vaccination crowd had reasons for whipping up fears that had nothing to do with concerns for the nation's health...
65 posted on 12/22/2002 2:09:48 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Sabertooth
Buh bye.

LOL. And another one bites the dust.

Looks like the powers that be finally got tired of FL's tinfoil stupidity.

It's bad enough when you try to scare people away from vaccinations by inventing some side effects, but to say that they don't work is silly beyond belief. I thought his arguments on the other threads were bad, but this one is WAY out there.

Anyway, kudos to you Sabertooth. You have done an invaluable service to the reputation of Free Republic.

66 posted on 12/22/2002 4:40:03 PM PST by TomB
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To: woofie
Agree with all your points. Afraid Former Lurker will just re-enroll.
67 posted on 12/22/2002 4:45:44 PM PST by Let's Roll
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To: dighton; aruanan; KneelBeforeZod; PeaceBeWithYou; Darlin'; wimpycat; RadioAstronomer; longshadow; ..
Well, it looks like Former Lurker is now Former Poster.

Dighton, Can you fill me in as to what was in posts 4 and 6?

The schadenfreude is unbearable!

68 posted on 12/22/2002 4:48:17 PM PST by TomB
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To: TomB
In a nutshell, that vaccination is the cause of smallpox epidemics.
69 posted on 12/22/2002 4:56:36 PM PST by dighton
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To: TomB
It must have been really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, bad, since they moderators have left up a picture that advertising for stile project on another thread. Yeah...the stile project with pictures and video deformed children, bodies run over by tanks, cut in half in accidents, and tons of freakish porn. Makes The rotten.com website look like a childrens book.
70 posted on 12/22/2002 5:01:08 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: TomB; dighton; general_re; aculeus
Well, it looks like Former Lurker is now Former Poster.

Actually, FormerLurker is now PresentLurker.

71 posted on 12/22/2002 5:03:45 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: TomB
I heard a legend that every time as psycho gets banned an angel gets their wings. I'm sure he'll start to hound us with one of his psuedonyms though. We'll be able to identify him by his obsession with labeling all who disagree "shills". Any we can always be sure that no matter how many things he used to be, FL will always be a conspiracy obsessed nut job with a foul mouth. Cheers, wish I'd been here for the kill.

72 posted on 12/22/2002 5:40:42 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Cheers, wish I'd been here for the kill.

That makes two of us.....

;-)

73 posted on 12/22/2002 5:48:06 PM PST by longshadow
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To: woofie
Anyone is free to disregard sound medical advice but they should not attempt to convince others, when the consequences can be so severe.

I agree particularly where Smallpox is concerned. We are talking about a few deaths/million doses vs. a few survivors/million cases of Smallpox. The choice is obvious for me and my family...innoculate, ASAP.

74 posted on 12/22/2002 5:50:04 PM PST by Scully
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To: discostu
We'll be able to identify him by his obsession with labeling all who disagree "shills"

Actually, his annoying habit of cuting and pasting entire pages from his anti-whatever websites will easily give him away. If you take away those, he really doesn't have much to say.

75 posted on 12/22/2002 6:17:51 PM PST by TomB
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To: Joe 6-pack
I really wish everyone would look into the background and history of the smallpox vaccination. If everyone is vaccinated, all hell will break loose as many will become ill, and many will contract smallpox and die. The injection sites are loaded with toxins, and if people live in close quarters and are not careful about the sore on their arm, the toxins will spread. Too many people compare other vaccines with smallpox as if they all have the same risks. In reality each one is unique.
76 posted on 12/22/2002 6:28:48 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: judicial meanz
You're kidding, US troops were employed during the 1991 LA riots? What did they do, stand around the out-skirts and watch as murder and mayhem was occuring?
77 posted on 12/22/2002 6:39:20 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
You're kidding, US troops were employed during the 1991 LA riots? What did they do, stand around the out-skirts and watch as murder and mayhem was occuring?

The National Guard troops (about 2,000 of them, IIRC) brought the riots to an end, that's all.




78 posted on 12/22/2002 6:41:28 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: DBtoo
No, they came in on Day Three and started shutting down the riots.

There was a notorious case where some Marines were asked to "cover" an LAPD team entering a building to make an arrest.

In police parlance, "cover" means "point your weapons at the building." In Marine Corps parlance, "cover" means "lay down suppression fire while another element maneuvers."

The LAPD started screaming at the Marines to "CEASE FIRE, YOU %@R$@R$!"

The Marines stop shooting, and a rioter came out of the building with his hands in the air, saying "I'll come quietly, just don't shoot me!"

79 posted on 12/22/2002 6:43:45 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Sabertooth
Don't forget the Marines!
80 posted on 12/22/2002 6:44:08 PM PST by Poohbah
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