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Hanover County Shooting [Ashland, Virginia- North of Richmond]

Posted on 10/19/2002 6:14:56 PM PDT by William McKinley

Just reported. Took place outside of a Ponderosa Steakhouse. Not sure if it is related or not at this time. Police have shut down parts of I-95.


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To: concerned about politics
I believe Rita was blabbering about the casing they found in the rental car when she said that.
1,281 posted on 10/19/2002 8:48:55 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Mulder
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a real Patrick Henry, Mr. Braveheart, gonna save us all from ourselves, just like Henry Fonda in '12 Angry Men'. Yep, your that man in front of the Tiannamin tank.

Too bad you weren't around in WWII to raise holy hell about that oppressive rubber rationing that shredded our Constitution.
1,282 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:16 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: ingodwetrust
Of course not but at the same time, under these circumstances, what the he%^ do you do?   for starters... well, let's back up a couple weeks.... maybe a composite sketch of the PERP and not a van picture? How about AT LEAST ONE police description... a partical license plate number? Miste alcrity, couldn't we go on and on?? PC kills.
1,283 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:17 PM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: TankerKC
Me too. I just don't want to be handcuffed or forced to do anything.

If you are referring to that picture

For starter .. we don't know the circumtances as to why that man is being handcuff

So before I jump on the police about anything .. I would like to hear the facts first

1,285 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:18 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: slimer
"They told people to walk in a zig zag fashion when coming and going on their errands. "

Yeah, right. Walking zig zag. That'd sure make me feel safe, how about you ?

1,286 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:19 PM PDT by Darlin'
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To: patriciaruth
Oh, bump bump bump!
1,287 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:21 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Darlin'
They reported a wooded area, about 100 FEET away.
1,288 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:23 PM PDT by relee
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To: rintense
Being the foolishly curious types, we ventured outside toward the area of the gunshot. Another shot was fired, and I immediately jumped in front of my mother and then pulled her down to the ground.

Detroit?

1,289 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:29 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Texas Mom
One shooter seems illogical. There would be something in common with all the shots, I'd assume.
From a terrorist cell standpoint, it all makes sence. It would be logical. The chaotic pattern is in itself the tool of terrorists.
1,290 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:29 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: John,Staten Island
This Lt Goodman from the Hanover Sheriffs Dept.has a...lot more on the ball than Moose.

I was thinking the same thing. He's giving much more info than they've given in the past about distances, locations, etc. I reckon when the task force arrives, he'll be clamped down on immediately. AND everyone in the media is arrogant!! One question was prefaced by "A rural community...not alot goes on here..." That's right oh elite one. We just sit at home without electricity or TV and twiddle our thumbs. We've never seen a movie, or bought ready made clothes because we're not from Atlanta, or Chicago or NYC.

1,291 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:40 PM PDT by OrangeDaisy
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To: edwin hubble
Wouldn't it be great if they had the guy? Keep the reports coming.
1,292 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:47 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Letitring
"Just wait until Moose hears this and has his fit and shuts down the entire investigation, etc. These guys are good and are answering all questions. Wonderful."

Makes me feel more confident about the poeple in charge. I have not had that feeling with the Task Force people, BATF or not. The alphabet agencies do nto inspire confidence because they are absurd in so many instances.
1,293 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:52 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Diddle E. Squat
From the first moment the first plane struck the first tower...I KNEW this was coming. I predicted it. Here is my take for what it is worth:

This is a terrorist sleeper cell and not talent imported for a special job. They are settled in for a long haul and not a brief blaze of glory. Thats why there has been no "signature" on the effort. They're fighting a war on the enemy's home soil....and they have studied us in great detail. This first spree is a probe trying to see how we'll react, what resources we'll call into play and they still are getting maximum bang for minimum buck. The area of the shooting is just about paralyzed. Psychologically and economically.

Look up the precepts for waging a good guerilla war. Try the Special Forces Operational Handbook for starters. There are other books too. PaladinPress.com has a bunch of titles. SNIPER type attacks are right at the top of the list. Pure terrorism 24/7 instead of a grand mal event which is over and done with except the grieving and anger. The WTC for example. The fear up there is palpable and growing. They must be crowing that CNN and the liberal media are still showing them as the whacko lone gunman. I think there is a liberal agenda at work there. This has the effect of keeping gun control suddenly fashionable again since it cost Gore the White House.

A lot of folks are asking if this is Al Queda, why haven't other cities been targeted too? Why hasn't the CIA or DIA picked up chatter in the coffee shops of the middle east? Lots of possible reasons. The most important is that once a cell is activated it acts according to preset plans or on its own. IF this is on its own, bet that other cells will get the idea if its successful. Also, other areas of the country are not as conducive to exfiltration since they may not have the confluence of intersecting major roadways available. Finally, if these guys have been here for years...then the middle east will not be buzzing...they won't know. We do know that Al Queda trains for this type of attack...

These guys have been trained at least a little bit. They are pretty good at infiltration and exfiltration. They're rehearsing and reconning. They know about security cameras. NONE of those skills is something a wannabe Rambo can just pick up at the local range. Having a skill that's taught in a classroom somewhere and using it in a real situation are two different things. Using requires practical experience. The schools that do teach that are pretty selective on who gets the training and what the prior qualifications are. The other schools are rip-offs that take advantage of that Rambo syndrome in middle aged guys wishing to recapture their youth and WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

Something else.....the idea that it's easy to pick up the skills of a sniper even a little bit with a few hours range instruction is ridiculous. as a certified firearms instructor, I can teach you to be fairly expert with a HANDGUN in an afternoon but not a rifle! Not distance (even 100 meters) shooting. You can't just slap a scope on a rifle and go to town. The rifle has to be zeroed to the scope by the shooter (everybody holds a rifle slightly differently) and that process of zeroing has to take into account the bullet weight in grains, the TYPE of bullet configuration, the powder load, even the power of the scope and its own accuracy is tested. You have to understand bullet drop (one reason for the 223 it's a very flat shooting round and at 300 meters only drops about ten inches) and wind drift for gusty conditions. Thats one reason for no real distance shots over 300 meters....the thirty cal family is that used by TRUE snipers. Heavier bullets more range...but more drop and more report (noise) and more recoil which usually requires a bigger rifle. So you need more skill.

Lastly.....they say that this case is going to be broken by the public...and that is truer than you know. What are the odds that a cop will be on hand to stop these guys? nil. But there are nearly 100 MILLION law abiding gun owners and a whole lot of them have lawful permits to carry concealed weapons and a chunk of those are military vets and some of THOSE have seen combat or are SpecOps. Under the right conditions, these guys can be stopped cold by a lawfully armed citizen. The LEFT knows this...that is why they are feverishly trying to ram through as much gun control as they can before such an event occurs. Because once John Q. Public realizes any Joe Schmoe can stop it they'll run the gun banners out of town on a rail and deep six all the gun laws on the table.

1,294 posted on 10/19/2002 8:49:52 PM PDT by ExSoldier
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To: Kevin Curry
The terrorists are planning different schemes for 2 years from now as we speak. Heck, they might have had 100 strategies such as this planned before this started. We have no clue what this COULD possibly be. I still say 60/40 it's ME related terror and, if so, like a good coach and qb in a high-decibal arena, you find other ways to communicate and call multiple plays in advance...
1,295 posted on 10/19/2002 8:50:10 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: GirlShortstop
If I were a cop I would KNOW what I AM LOOKING FOR...

Well, I for one, am relieved that you will never BE a cop with such an empty brain-housing-group.

Semper Disgusted

1,296 posted on 10/19/2002 8:50:33 PM PDT by Trident/Delta
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To: hole_n_one
"We'll do this (press conference) again at 12:15....."

And again, it will step on McLame! Hurray!

1,297 posted on 10/19/2002 8:50:36 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: edwin hubble
WTVR Channel 6 (CBS affiliate) had witnesses reporting a high powered rifle taken from stopped white van.

rEALLY?

1,298 posted on 10/19/2002 8:50:37 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Senator Pardek
Grand Rapids. Our neighborhood went to hell in a handbasket when government housing went up across the street.
1,299 posted on 10/19/2002 8:50:47 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Letitring
The last few shootings, sadly, have been in Virginia. It's time for Governor Warner to ask the Feds to take over this investigation.
1,300 posted on 10/19/2002 8:50:51 PM PDT by relee
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