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What has happened to U.S.?
Me | 10/2/2002 | Me

Posted on 10/02/2002 7:15:37 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye

What has happened to our image as a beacon of freedom, opportunity and the right way to live?

Much of the world fears or hates us. We have a proclaimed policy of attacking any country whose policies or regimes don't follow our dictates.

Why have we become the biggest bully in the world?


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To: Stavka2
BWAHAHAHAH What a crock of crap!!

So I guess your "Communism" is the way to go?

261 posted on 10/03/2002 7:54:19 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Wow what a strange thread. We went from America haters last night to commies today. What a country! I love FR.
262 posted on 10/03/2002 8:01:14 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: Stavka2
Iraq has no provable links to Al Quida, Saudi Arabia does...but whom does the US protect and whom does it attack?

So you are saying we should be attacking Saudi Arabia?

263 posted on 10/03/2002 8:10:48 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: Stavka2
I have been to Ukraine. I would rather live in the US in a severe Depression than that hell-hole left by 70 years of communist idiocy.

The worst of the US is better than the best the rest of the world has to offer. That just eats you alive, doesn't it?

264 posted on 10/03/2002 8:12:01 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Route66
Me: "We have a proclaimed policy of attacking any country whose policies or regimes don't follow our dictates."

I overstated this, our new policy seems to be pre-emptive strikes against potential threats. I prefer deterence.

You: Why does it make you feel better to hate your own country so much?

I don't hate America, but I don't care for our foreign policy and ever growing government.

265 posted on 10/03/2002 8:21:40 AM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: Stavka2
Ok, lets get something down on record here, bub. I have never supported the actions of the Soviets, who were imported by Western Intellectuals...so go ahead and drop that little bogus crap of yours once and for all. If you think I'm talking down to you on this, I am. Once you get that little racist crap out of your skull, we'll talk like human beings, otherwise bugger off.

As for the "asian" peoples, that was an almost bloodless colonization........Finland was taken from Sweden in a war that Sweden began. Sorry, try harder.

It seems, Stavka, that you can dish it out but you can't take it.

You come to America, you post to a Forum filled with American military veterans and you then excoriate America for everything from the War of 1812 to the Boxer Rebellion.

However, when I list Russia's own enlightened military past you get outraged.

If American participated in the Boxer Rebellion action to protect Westerners in China, that is imposing America's will on China. If Russia participated to a much greater extent in the very same military action, including the occupation of Manchuria, then pointing out that historical fact is "racist crap".

If America colonized it's frontier, that is bad. If Russia colonized it's frontier it was "almost bloodless" and justifiable.

If Russia attacked Finnland in November 1939 after Finnland refused to grant Russia a naval base, somehow that becomes Sweden's fault.

By the way, Stavka, since you are Russian, I presume that the skin over your glutteous maximus is just as white as mine is so pulling out the "Race Card" ala Jessee Jackson won't score you any points. Unlike 1930's Germany, America does not consider Russians as "russische untermenchen" belonging to some allegedly inferior race.

You obviously have a great hatred of "Western" society. Even the ideology that Russia embraced since 1917 and many Russians still embrace today is blamed solely on "Western Intellectuals" as if Russia were a helpless and mentally-challanged giant that is powerless to reject such an obviously flawed ideology just because it was produced by a "Western Intellectual" named Karl Marx that would have gone down as a footnote in History if Russia had not adopted him as an ideological God.

Given your obvious hatred of all things "Western", why are you in America living among those you hate so deeply?

266 posted on 10/03/2002 8:23:58 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
An overstatement on my part.

We now have a policy of pre-emptive strikes against potential threats. Don't you think this might lead to equivalent policies by other nations? Perhaps even against us?

268 posted on 10/03/2002 8:28:09 AM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Sheeple fall for what they're told. You fell what what they told you. You are a Sheeple.

"Everyone watches American movies, everyone listens to American pop songs, everyone watches American TV - and everyone hates America." - Mark Steyn, observation on the influence of Oliver Stone and American "propagandists" after traveling through the Middle East and Europe. AEI: "State of World Cultures" conference, May 8, 2002.


269 posted on 10/03/2002 8:28:13 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Stavka2
Your analysis of history is laughable, right out of a marxist pre-schooler's handbook. Rarely does a poster on FR make as much of a fool of himself as you have done on this thread.
271 posted on 10/03/2002 8:41:50 AM PDT by beckett
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To: Stavka2
I have a perspective built upon my culture and upon my life experiences and my knowledge....it's called individualism. I look at things more from a neutral stand point. If you simply state: it's American so it's right, you open yourself up for all kinds of disasters. Critical self examination keeps a nation in the black not the red of not only finances but morality as well.

So then what is your "culture" and what are your "life experiences" which give you this "in the black" morality? Tell me that, and I can better consider your remarks.

(I will be surprised that anybody can be "neutral.")

272 posted on 10/03/2002 9:01:50 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: UnBlinkingEye
An overstatement on my part. We now have a policy of pre-emptive strikes against potential threats. Don't you think this might lead to equivalent policies by other nations? Perhaps even against us?

Yes, it might. This is obviously a potentially dangerous 2-edged sword that must be used wisely.

The wisdom of a course of action or inaction is often determined with 20/20 hindsight. A pre-emptive strike against Germany in 1935 when Hitler renounced the Versaille Treaty and declared Nazi Germany's intention to re-arm would have saved 40 million lives in the 1940's. On the flip side, the use of the claim "pre-emptive strike in self defense" can be abused to justify just about any military adventure.

Each case much be honestly debated on it's own merits as blanket rules seldom apply in the Real World.

273 posted on 10/03/2002 9:16:33 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Stavka2
B.S. - There has never been archaelogical evidence to support the existence of such mass population in North America pre-Columbus...

The facts remain - there are more of us today than there were before Columbus arrived...

And that is based on actual evidence, pinko-boy...
274 posted on 10/03/2002 9:17:00 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Stavka2
Oh for God's sake, don't embarress yourself...study history. STAVKA has been the name of the Russian general staff since Catherine the Great....

The poster asked where he could find STAVKA "in America".

You will not find the actual STAVKA "in America" any more than you will find the Pentagon "in Russia".

275 posted on 10/03/2002 10:15:15 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: vbmoneyspender; bob808; Destro; Kate22; crazykatz; Honorary Serb
I'll try again. Yugoslavia was viciously attacked, in an illegal operation commanded by President Clintoon, in a misguided attempt to enforce the NWO against European Christian who were doing their damnedest to combat Islamic terrorism. The US, acting at the aggressor, bombed this Christian nation back into the Stone Age, all for the benefit of dirty Mooslim terrorists! This, after the Communist News Network and the neo-con swine, propagandized the public to believe the lies (and the public still did not support this illegal war).
276 posted on 10/03/2002 11:15:33 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: UnBlinkingEye
These kinda threads are asking to get banned?
277 posted on 10/03/2002 1:28:03 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Stavka2
And on our worst day, I'd rather live in a sewer in Massachusetts than the most gilded palace in some third-world rat factory.

Every one of the problems you described could be resolved within half a decade if we could just eliminate socialism. And if we didn't have to endure the petty hatreds and jealousies our our inferiors.

Not a civilized country in the world has done a better job of protecting its interests than this one. The world is ours for the taking. And it would be the better for it.

278 posted on 10/03/2002 3:54:17 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
And on our worst day, I'd rather live in a sewer in Massachusetts than the most gilded palace in some third-world rat factory.

Wouldn't the rat factory be in the Massachusetts sewer, the home of Teddy boy?

Every one of the problems you described could be resolved within half a decade if we could just eliminate socialism. And if we didn't have to endure the petty hatreds and jealousies our our inferiors.

I thought all men were created equal. Who are you calling inferior?

Not a civilized country in the world has done a better job of protecting its interests than this one. The world is ours for the taking. And it would be the better for it.

You're a real piece of work. Racist, imperialist, holier than thou opinions.

279 posted on 10/03/2002 7:17:03 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: IronJack
And on our worst day, I'd rather live in a sewer in Massachusetts than the most gilded palace in some third-world rat factory.

Wouldn't the rat factory be in the Massachusetts sewer, the home of Teddy boy?

Every one of the problems you described could be resolved within half a decade if we could just eliminate socialism. And if we didn't have to endure the petty hatreds and jealousies our our inferiors.

I thought all men were created equal. Who are you calling inferior?

Not a civilized country in the world has done a better job of protecting its interests than this one. The world is ours for the taking. And it would be the better for it.

You're a real piece of work. Racist, imperialist, holier than thou opinions.

280 posted on 10/03/2002 7:18:49 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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