Mother to surrender in videotaped beating of girl

Associated Press ^ | September 21, 2002 | Associated Press Staff

[AppyPappy]

How to you justify punishment without a conviction for a crime?

The same way you justify killing an attacker even though they were never convicted of attacking you.

[Let's Roll]

yes, only on internet

[AppyPappy]

Proof is determined in a court of law alone

Let's say you are walking down the street and a crazed man jumps at you with a knife. Do you wait until the judge renders a verdict before you defend yourself?

[Frapster]

I've watched this tape now and I think this is being blown WAY out of proportion. When she first puts the child in the car she looks to her right, not in a calculated fashion but in as if something caught her eyey - the sudden jerk of her head back to the car tells me the child does something unexpected that startled her. I see no inidication that she looked 'left and then right' - she looked over her right shoulder and then snapped her head back as a result of something happening in the car.

As for the 'beating', she was using an open hand, she was smacking the child - there's not doubt about this - and she should not have been doing it. I would take the bets being thrown around early in this that the child does no have any bruises.

The cries by the city officials to have this child brought in and examined at the emergency room is based on the same sensationalistic and over-reacting zeitgeist that so plagues our country today.

This woman needs anger management at best and deserves a visit by CPS at worst. I have to agree - having the government step in on this situation is preposterous and is only going to serve to hurt this family more than it will help.

[Frapster]

Take her child away to be put in a state foster home. Yea, that's the answer.

Flame away. BTW, I'll rased six children, so I know a little about the way to discipline your kids.

I'm with ya on this - people are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

[Cultural Jihad]

Exactly. The perp needs to be stopped. Ideally an arrest is made, a court of law assembled, evidence brought forth, witnesses examined and cross-examined, and then a judgment is made. The ideologues are claiming there should be NO intervention, arrest, or investigation without incontrovertible proof first, which is nonsense.

[ladyjane]

So where is the mother and her daughter? Does anyone know if she has turned herself in as she said she would do?

[sweet virginia]

FOX just reported that they are waiting for the Mother to turn herself in, they will have a FOX alert when this happens, I am sure. Thank you for your earlier post.

[MeekOneGOP]

Video of this story

Has anyone been able to decipher a downloadable hard link of this file for the bandwidth challenged?

I clicked on your link and went right to the video. It requires RealOnePlayer. If you don't have it, go here to download it:

RealOnePlayer Free Download

Now it will say Free 14 day trial. After a few days, just CANCEL the "Bells & Whistles" thing they want to charge you $10/month for. That's what I did and they didn't bill me anything and it still works at NO CHARGE to me.....

Also, here is another thread that has this video on post #19 and another on #50 (also requires RealOnePlayer):

Video of the Mother & daughter

If this doesn't help or if I misunderstood your post, please let me know......

[mystery-ak]

Im trying to catch up on this thread.....I just heard a little while ago on Fox, reported by Tony Snow, that this tape has been edited....it was MUCH WORSE than what is being shown.

[southern rock]

The same way you justify killing an attacker even though they were never convicted of attacking you.

Yeah, I can kill him if I'm the victim. The state can't until after the trial.

[Cultural Jihad]

This link gives one a variety of media choices (RealPlayer, Windows Media, and QuickTime):

http://www.theindychannel.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-167844320020920-080933.html

Just click on the "VIDEO" link on the left of the page.

[F16Fighter]

"sometimes these media-hyped events are the result of the shock that a mother could treat her young daughter in this way. not everything is a conspiracy."

Come on -- are you really that naive? The only thing "shocking" about this "incident" was the fact that a camcorder was was at the right place at the right time -- a 6:00 News dream....

Wanna see something reeaaallly "shocking" and "outrageous"?? Why don't the networks smuggle out a video or two of Sudanese Christian children and innocent villagers getting hacked to death by Muslims? Naaah -- the media only reports what they deem a "story".

[Cultural Jihad]

You are divorced from reality if you claim only a victim can commit justifiable homicide.

[eleni121]

Well, she's wanted on at least two warrants. She flips out on a child - her child. She hides from the law knowing full well what she has done. She deserves no sympathy from anyone. And she needs lots of professional/spiritual help paid for by her and her family - not the taxpayers.

[Paul Atreides]

Good Grief!! That poor little girl. Are they saying that Fox's footage was edited or that the other news channel's footage was edited?

[Paul Atreides]

I am wondering if the child, somehow gave away the scam she was trying to pull on the store. I am not saying that it is a justification, I'm just wondering that set her off, or the fact that her scam didn't work at all.

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

I would call this a 'hard spanking'.

As a parent - and I do NOT have a parenting license - I happen to know that a child's bad behavior is best corrected when it happens, not in a discussion group a couple of weeks later or even at the dinner table, a few hours after the fact. I don't know what I would do if my kids made a scene in a public place. They happen to be rather well behaved and they never do that but, let's say they demand that I buy them some toy or candy and then throw themselves on the floor and start screaming and convulsing (I saw that happening in stores) I know that I would take the first opportunity to 'discuss' that behavior with the kid 'in private'. I have no idea why that woman was slapping her daughter around and THIS IS THE POINT. It's not clear either WHAT she was doing or WHY she was doing it. And, again, there are thousands or tens of thousands of similar 'beatings' if you want to call them this way, happending in this country every single day. Some parents are harsher than others and some go way over the line. Some kids need more discipline than others and some just won't respond to anything and are to see the death row soon after they turn into adults. Some parents kill their children and I believe I heard of children killing their parents. I also heard of children killing or dismembering or raping other children and of parents killing each other or other kids' parents.

I am sorry we live in an imperfect world but, I am sorry, a mother spaking her daughter while on camera is NOT national news except in this voyeuristic, brain-dead society of ours.

[eddie willers]

Thanks for sharing that story....

I'm just glad it had a happy ending.
Regrets and things left unsaid are soul killers.

[spunkets]

...then a judgment is made.

There has to be punishment also, you left that out. I'd give her a year for each of those punches thrown.