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1 posted on 09/09/2002 3:22:43 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: newsperson999
FBI said mid-eastren terrorist cell of 6-8 iraqi soldiers was in OKC at the time...22 people have signed documents saying that they saw Mcvieh(sp?) with middle eastren males at various times in the bombing plots
2 posted on 09/09/2002 3:24:42 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: glorygirl
Please ping.
4 posted on 09/09/2002 3:26:35 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: OKCSubmariner
I guess with the recent cold feet of the Euros the admin decided to play the OKC-Iraq card, kept close to the vest to hide FBI politics, incompetence, and obsessions with winning prosecutions rather than the "whole trueht".
11 posted on 09/09/2002 3:31:43 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: newsperson999
Obviously the government is starting to furnish stories to push the war. GOOD!
12 posted on 09/09/2002 3:32:02 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: newsperson999

16 posted on 09/09/2002 3:37:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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Michael Smerconish, talk host on WPHT in Philly, had the lady with Lou Dobbs on last week. She will be coming to Philly on October 2nd for a 2 hour forum where she is to lay out all the evidence she has managed to gather pointing to an Iraq/OKC connection.

I believe that McVeigh was involved but after reading the piece by Micah Morrison in the WSJ last week, and listening to Jayna Davis, I am starting to believe there is something there.

MoodyBlu
22 posted on 09/09/2002 3:49:45 PM PDT by MoodyBlu
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To: newsperson999
Boy if this is true, then I bet Ashcroft feels stupid. He couldn't wait to snuff the one guy who could connect the Iraqis to OKC....Tim McVeigh!
29 posted on 09/09/2002 4:01:10 PM PDT by hove
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bump
33 posted on 09/09/2002 4:06:13 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: newsperson999
I have a personal hypothesis about Mr. Mcveigh. I think that he actually thought of himself as a patriot, and an enemy of a rogue government rather than an enemy of the Country. Further, I think that he believed that he was running his own operation to punish an out-of-control government for its misconduct.

I think he believed that he had found the resources and support he needed through his militia contacts, when in fact the Al Quaida found him and used him for their own scheme, and then abandoned him. And I think the reason he stopped his appeals was that he finally realized what a mistake he had made, and simply never wanted the story to come out. I believe that his execution without extracting more information from him was a serious mistake, but typical of the justice department at the time.

Any thoughts on this?
35 posted on 09/09/2002 4:09:56 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: newsperson999; OKCSubmariner
Big Bump to OKC Submariner !!!!!!!
Kudos to OKC Submariner !!!!!!!
42 posted on 09/09/2002 4:27:00 PM PDT by Donald Stone
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To: newsperson999
Fox News' senior judicial analyst Napolotano(sp?) covered the possible connection late last week. The suspect's name was....Hussein al-Hussein or something similar. Nope, not kidding.
58 posted on 09/09/2002 5:02:04 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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An Essay on Hypocrisy
By Timothy McVeigh
Reprinted with permission from Media Bypass. Parthenocarpy is interested in any existing or future rebuttals of this essay.
Please contact us here to contribute.


Media Bypass / Alternative Media, Inc. Editor's note: Timothy McVeigh, sentenced to death for his role in the April 19, 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City, penned the following essay, dated "March 1998," from his cell in the administrative maximum section of the federal prison in Florence, Colo. In a preface, McVeigh wrote "I have chosen Media Bypass as a possible forum for this piece because, frankly, I realize that it is quite provocative -- and I rather doubt that any mainstream media would touch it. [Note that although the enclosed is very provocative, it was written to provoke thought -- and was not written with malevolent intent.]"

McVeigh appologized for the essay being handwritten, but noted his "current (unique) environment does not provide access to a typewriter, a word processor or a copier. (hell, I'm lucky they let me have a pen!), so I hope you understand why this is being submitted handwritten -- and I hope you can overcome this shortcoming."

McVeigh, whose interview with Media Bypass [February 1996] was picked up and dissected by the New York Times and major media outlets across the nation, also expressed concerns that reporting subsequent to this essay might be "printed out of context... but at least the original can be accurate."

A decorated U.S. Army veteran of the Persian Gulf War, McVeigh hereby offers his contribution to the debate over U.S. policy toward Iraq, a policy that McVeigh says is marked by a "deep hypocrisy."


The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") -- mainly because they have used them in the past.

Well, if that's the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.Sl is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterent purposes during the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterence) -- with respect to Iraq's (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?

The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We've all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction."

Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones-- Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants -- mostly women and children -- in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)

If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" -- like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?

The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.

Hypocrisy when it comes to death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes "a shield." Think about that.

(Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb -- saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

When considering morality and mens rea [criminal intent] in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians?

Yet another example of this nation's blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq.

In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" -- they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing in Oklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned.

What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?

I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is?

I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft that could be used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed "The Spirit of Oklahoma."

When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.

Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.

These are weapons of mass destruction -- and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign tartgets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivilent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone:
"Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

Sincerely


Timothy J. McVeigh

Copyright (c) 1998, Media Bypass / Alternative Media, Inc.

71 posted on 09/09/2002 6:06:11 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: newsperson999
It is coming out finally? We here have known this for quite sometime. Once again, FR is on the cutting edge!
81 posted on 09/09/2002 7:07:18 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: newsperson999
For what it's worth, the 9/11 attacks occurred three months to the day of McVeigh's execution (June 11).
87 posted on 09/09/2002 8:00:02 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: newsperson999
flamefront provided this on another post:

"Former CIA Director Knows Details of Iraqi Connection to OKC Bombing"
- using those words in a google search hits some interesting sites covering all this.

99 posted on 09/10/2002 3:27:00 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: newsperson999
Good Lord this is ONE HELL OF A STORY bump.
106 posted on 09/10/2002 10:42:11 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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126 posted on 09/11/2002 4:04:08 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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