AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS? (a question for Freepers)

August 22nd, 2002 | Sabertooth

[A CA Guy]

I think the Mexican's are mostly honest and nice family people. We are lucky they are our neighbors.
But I don't want to finance a nickle of any social program or education for them.
If they can't afford to pay for what is taken in social services, go home.
If they want temporary visas, apply for work and don't tap our social service, FINE!
If they want to stand in line 10 years and attempt to become citizens, fine.

That aside, get the rest out of here.

[janetgreen]

I don't know if I actually said the words "no amnesty" in my previous posts. If I didn't, NO AMNESTY!

[madfly]

I was brutally beaten on the face and the raped 20 years ago by a 15 1/2 year old Mexican kid and lost a career position with the Post Office. I hate this kid, but I'm not racist. We have the right to SCREEN people who come into our country, even bi-lingual mental exams.

[Brownie74]

My thoughts are much the same as Brownie's.

Thank you. Sabertooth and Marine Inspector are both a wealth of knowledge on immigration. We must stem the flow of illegal aliens before we lose our country and our culture. Not to mention our economy.

[madfly]

Bush included the announcement of an executive order, in a 4th of July Speech to the military, granting 15,000 illegal military foreign born immediate or speedy citizenship.

http://www.shusterman.com/siu.html#4
Shusterman's Immigration Update July 2002

4. Executive Order Expedites Military Naturalization

On July 3, President Bush signed an Executive Order 13269 which waives the normal residency and physical presence requirements for certain non-citizens serving in the Armed Forces of the United States. It is estimated that there are over 15,000 men and women who are affected by this order. While non-citizens are eligible to enlist in the military, only U.S. citizens can be promoted to commissioned or warrant officers, or serve in special warfare programs such as the Navy SEALs.

On July 4, the President proclaimed to a crowd that "thousands of our men and women in uniform were born in other countries and now spend each day in honorable service to their adopted land. Many of them are still waiting for the chance to become American citizens."

Under the order, anyone with active-duty service in the military since September 11, 2001 is eligible to apply for naturalization provided that they enlisted, or re-enlisted, in the U.S. or in certain other designated places.

Importantly, it is not necessary that the applicant still be in the military, or that he/she be a permanent resident of the United States. It is even possible to naturalize if the person is ILLEGALLY present in the U.S.

Applicants under the Executive Order (issued pursuant to §329 of the Immigration and Nationality Act) must comply with other naturalization requirements such as the English and history/government examinations, and must demonstrate that they are persons of good moral character.

When I served as an INS Citizenship Attorney in the late 1970s, we recommended hundreds of Vietnam veterans for naturalization under a similar Executive Order, and they were sworn-in as U.S. citizens. The fact that many of these veterans had enlisted illegally did not bar them from naturalization as long as the military supported their applications. I can not recall a single instance where the military did not do so.

Significantly, President Bush's order does not contain an expiration date. A non-citizen who joins the military TODAY can immediately apply for naturalization. Also, it is not required that the applicant be involved in combat or in the war against terrorism.

I had a hard time finding any info on this on the web. Isn't this insane?

[DKNY]

I would say you are as well, read some of your bookmarks.

[Brownie74]

Thanks again. If you ever have any questions about immigration law check out Title 8, Section 12. You can use the search box to find just about anything you need to know. Enjoy!!

[Bigg Red]

I support no amnesty.

In addition, I think there should be a moratorium on all immigration from any country at this time. We must secure our borders first.

[Sungirl]

Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?

NONE SHOULD BE GRANTED AMNESTY!!! NO WAY!

[philman_36]

Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
As simply and concisely as I can state...NO!
IMO if someone desires to immigrate to the US they should do so legally. I admit I'm rather indecisive on work visas/green cards. At least those folks are following the intent of the laws. I still feel that Americans suffer from such programs and we should look after our own first.

[MinuteGal]

No pain, no gain.......oops, wrong poll!

NO AMNESTY, PERIOD!

Leni

[Scully]

Thanks for the tally! My ancestors came here on the boat, went through Ellis Island upon their arrival and subsequently studied to become U.S. citizens. They did it (and I'm darned thankful they did), and so can anyone else who wants to come to this county.

[Nitro]

I vote NEGATIVE for amnesty!!!

[Jolly Rodgers]

No amnesty and throw out any politician that advocates such an immoral and unethical thing.

[VA Advogado]

In your example, the perp wasn't being very productive. What in the world does that have to do with MY example?

[4Freedom]

The next obvious question is how many John Walker Lind's did Osama send home to enlist in our armed forces?

[mhking]

The bottom line is that an illegal entry is an illegal entry, period. The person who is in the wrong is wrong no matter what.

To hear you tell it, it's that someone came in illegally, as long as they are doing something productive.

I'm sorry, you don't instantly lose your status as an illegal. In your example, if a burglar comes into my house, and I catch 'em while they are picking up behind themselves, then I can't shoot them.

If they're illegal, they're illegal - and quite frankly, I don't care if they're working in a productive job; that's a job that an American can have, as opposed to an interloper who is guilty of (in effect) breaking and entering our country.

I don't care if they're the most upstanding and righteous person - they're still wrong. And they've got to go!

[Valin]

Latenight bump.

[madfly]

See post #905 re: recent news for aliens/illegals in the Military. 15,000 get July 4th gift.

[dennisw]

Very interesting...

My guess is 95% of these 15,000 were legal green card holders who were in the military. The others had green cards (or visas) when they joined but green card is no longer valid (for whatever reason).

Someone from Mexico is not just going to wade cross the river and get into our Army and become a citizen.

HOWEVER someone could come on a tourist visa/ student visa/work visa/ etc. and join the Army and become a citizen. I think this could be done...