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NEW STRONG EVIDENCE LINKS AUTISM TO VACCINE
GuluFuture.com ^ | 10th August 2002 | GuluFuture.com

Posted on 08/12/2002 9:52:47 AM PDT by USA21

NEW STRONG EVIDENCE LINKS AUTISM TO VACCINE

Scientists have uncovered the strongest evidence yet that the three-in-one Measels-Mumps-Rubella(MMR) vaccine plays a clear role in the development of autism.

Earlier this year British expert Dr Andrew Wakefield and molecular pathologist Professor John O'Leary established a possible link between the measles virus, autism and a related bowel disorder. They found fragments of the measles virus from the MMR jab in the guts of autistic children who also suffer a rare form of bowel disease.

Now scientists at Utah State University, have reported finding a strong association between the MMR vaccine and an autoimmune reaction which is thought to play a role in autism.

The team led by Dr Vijendra Singh analysed blood samples from 125 autistic children and 92 children who did not have autism. Dr Singh, is an acknowledged expert with more than 20 years experience of immunology research.

In 75 of the 92 autistic children they found antibodies showing there had been an abnormal reaction to the measles component of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine. Nine out of ten of those children were also positive for antibodies thought to be involved in autism.

These are incredible statistics. The antibodies attack the brain by targeting the basic building blocks of myelin, the insulating sheath that covers nerve fibres. This stops the nerves developing properly and may affect brain functions. Dr Singh has suggested that an abnormal immune response may be the root cause of many cases of autism.

None of the non-autistic children showed the unusual anti-measles response.

Not one. Not any. Zero. Nil. What a damming statistic. Read that sentence again and consider it well.

But incredibly, the UK Government's Chief Medical Officer and the British Medical Association, both still insist there is a wealth of scientific evidence that the triple jab is the safest way to protect children.

And Peter Lachmann, Emeritus Professor of Immunology at Cambridge, said that the conclusions drawn by Vijendra Singh and his team did not make for a direct link between MMR and autism.

“In my view the associations that Dr Singh makes do not follow. His hypothesis does not show causality; he is drawing unjustifiable conclusions from the antibody data he has collected. I do not think such conclusions can be drawn.”

As these comments reveal, the new evidence has the Government and the BMJ fighting a rearguard action to keep the lid on the vaccine/autism disaster.

Dr Singh's team report their findings in the latest issue of the Journal of Biomedical Science. The news of their findings is unreported as of this date in the US media.

They sensibly conclude: 'Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.'


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To: krodriguesdc
Let's TomB has posted TONS of research from peer reviewed sources. And you've posted a bunch of news articles. The whole thread started with one non-peer reviewed interpretation of somebody else's study, and the research that actually did the study disagrees vehemently with the conclusion. The best you've got is research from 50 years ago when literally everything about this was completely different (vaccines were handled differently and our knowledge of disease vectors was much less). You have YET to address why it is the autism rates start going up WELL BEFORE the mass use of the combined MMR. You're toast, it's over. Once again the monthly MMR thread has been won by science and lost by the paranoids desperately seeking to blame phramacuetical companies.
101 posted on 08/12/2002 5:43:50 PM PDT by discostu
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To: krodriguesdc
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102 posted on 08/12/2002 5:45:31 PM PDT by USA21
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To: TomB
...the link to below

what more do you need to know?

Autism Vaccine connection?--- Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D

I am a physician in Southern California, board certified in Psychiatry and Neurology. I am currently specializing in biomedicine of autism from both personal interest and sheer demand by ever-increasing numbers of parents seeking help for their children with this diagnosis. I was disturbed by the report released Monday and published in the LA Times April 23 by IOM. Though I agree that long-term peer reviewed studies do not yet prove the relationship between the MMR and autism, I believe the report was mis-leading to the general public and especially to parents or parents-to-be. There is overwhelming clinical evidence by those of us out in the fields dealing with rapidly increasing numbers of autistic children that vaccine safety needs a great deal more investigation.

As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the HepB vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder.

The histories are very similar in the majority of these children. Dutiful parents get their child all mandated vaccinations, then come the multiple ear infections, multiple courses of antibiotics, development of food sensitivities (especially wheat and milk products) and allergies, chronic diarrhea/and or constipation, gradual marked restriction of food intake, and evidence of cognitive deficits in the form of gaze avoidance, intolerance of changes in routines, lack of interest in socialization and interacting with others, and lack of language development. This latter is finally what gets most parents to seek help for their child if they are not familiar with the autistic spectrum syndrome, which most parents are not. The next thing that frequently happens is that the pediatrician tells the parents that "it's just toddler diarrhea" (the child hasn't had formed stools in months) or "he/she looks fine, some children just talk later than others" (no words at 18-24 months), etc. and the diagnosis is further delayed. THESE ARE MEDICALLY SICK CHILDREN!! Their gastrointestinal system is so injured first by the injected toxins, then by the ensuing invasion of pathogens, especially yeast infections, and then by the ingestion of foods they cannot process, like milk and wheat, and the end-point is a malnourished brain that cannot develop and process the world the way a normal child does. They desperately need special early educational intervention to help their brains be receptive, and fortunately this is already well known and happening to some extent. Concomitantly, these children need early bio-medical intervention to help the gastrointestinal, immune, and neurological systems heal and begin to function appropriately. They need dietary intervention and removal of toxic foods and substances, including gut and brain pathogens, so their starving brains can develop properly. They need special vitamins and minerals to offset the chemical aberrations produced by the toxins and subsequent neurological malnutrition.

In the last few years thousands of children have been treated with oral chelation methods to reduce their toxic load of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, arsenic, and aluminum in their bodies, and the results by the clinicians who are willing to step out of the "medical box" to use this form of treatment are having good and sometimes amazing results with a therapy that is very safe. As in all treatment, the earlier the children are treated, the more likely they respond. The protocols are still changing for this new kind of treatment, but children are followed very closely with blood and urinary tests to make sure they remain in good health throughout the process. It is a prolonged process; heavy metals that have become a part of their cellular make-up do not leave easily. The children need to be monitored carefully and strict attention must be paid to their nutritional/vitamin/mineral intake throughout this therapy. In my practice, I have been amazed by the improvement in many children who are started on a good vitamin/mineral/ nutrient program even before they receive any chelation medications.

Each child is a complex, unique biochemical/psychological system, and must be evaluated and tested and treated individually. Therefore this kind of therapy is much more prolonged and complicated and demanding both on the parents, the child, and the practitioner than usual forms of medicine dictated by pharmaceuticals, and is not cost-effective for busy practitioners particularly dictated by bottom-line-money-saving health plans. There is a desperate need for doctor education in this arena, as well as need for insurance carriers to recognize new treatments that in the long run stand to save them a great deal by helping early in the course of these disorders. There is a desperate need for screening clinics where interested physicians and health workers can evaluate these children and counsel parents on the best way to prevent life-long disability. At a meeting I recently attended at the annual NIH conference on children's health in Bethesda MD, one of the directors at that meeting said that the estimated life-long cost of educating and treating a child with autism is $2,000,000! 700 new cases have been added to the California school system in less than the last 3 months. Our educational and medical systems are woefully inadequate to this incredible challenge. Spending most of the millions allocated to autism on obscure genetic rodent studies in universities by persons who may have never encountered a child with autism is tantamount to neglect of many thousands of children who need medical evaluation and treatment as well as proper educational intervention RIGHT NOW!!

In my opinion, to take the MMR vaccine out of context of the entire vaccine program and state that it is safe stands to create complacency in parents and researchers, and will continue to endanger many more children before the full truth of this very complicated picture is understood.

Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D., 21800 Marylee St.

#48, Woodland Hills, CA 91367, 818-716-0565

"There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it" E. Wharton


103 posted on 08/12/2002 5:51:10 PM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: discostu
here is the peer-review of the study in this very article...

J Biomed Sci 2002 Jul-Aug;9(4):359-64

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.

Singh VK, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.

Department of Biology and Biotechnology Center, Utah State University, Logan, Utah, USA.

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children.

Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins.

Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine.

Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism. Copyright 2002 National Science Council, ROC and S. Karger AG, Basel PMID: 12145534 [PubMed - in process]


104 posted on 08/12/2002 5:54:33 PM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: discostu
I do hope you understand that there is peer-reviewed research that shows some sort of connection to MMR/autism, although, not yet conclusive - a shadow of a doubt does exist and therefore parents would be wise to seek out answers, etc, before their child(ren) get(s) hurt...

don't you agree?

105 posted on 08/12/2002 6:01:22 PM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: Blood of Tyrants
>>...That is simply because stupid people were once allowed to kill themselves in spectacularly stupid ways. Now they breed like rats, living off government programs that encourage more children, producing children even more stupid than themselves...<<

What a stupid statement.

106 posted on 08/12/2002 6:14:45 PM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: USA21
Before the vaccine was introduced in 1963, between 3 and 4 million cases of measles were reported in the United States each year, with more than 300 deaths from the disease. These days the United States has about 100 cases a year and no deaths. When measles vaccination rates went down in 1990, there was an outbreak of 28,000 cases of measles, and 30 children died.

Before the mumps vaccine was introduced in 1967, the United States had about 200,000 cases of mumps every year, with 20 to 30 deaths. Mumps was also the most common cause of acquired deafness and of viral meningitis, an infection of the lining of the brain. Up to 40 percent of males infected with mumps after puberty develop a painful swelling of the testicles called orchitis, which in rare cases can lead to sterility and testicular cancer. Today the United States has about 350 cases of mumps each year

Before the vaccine came along in 1965, rubella caused these birth defects in 20,000 infants a year. Today only about five children each year in the United States are born with birth defects caused by rubella.

There is ample evidence above that there is significant risk in not immunizing children against MMR. There is also good evidence that the rate of increase in Autism is correspondent with the increase in Mercury Burden from Thimerosal containing vaccines. Gotta get rid of the Mercury.

107 posted on 08/12/2002 6:39:08 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: krodriguesdc
Polio

* American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the polio vaccine

They are?

108 posted on 08/12/2002 6:46:21 PM PDT by libravoter
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To: tscislaw
Who would have thought that this place is too politically correct to admit that there is such a thing as stupid people who have stupid children?

Have you all bought the tripe about every child being equal? Well, get over it! There are smart children and dumb children, beautiful children and homely kids, fat kids, skinny kids, (kids who climb on rocks). I am not being viscous or uncaring, just realistic.

Just as a college degree is beyond many people's mental abilities (differential equations and Fourier transfers really kicked my butt), a decent high school education is more than others can absorb.
109 posted on 08/12/2002 8:32:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: TomB
Not one. Not any. Zero. Nil. What a damming statistic. Read that sentence again and consider it well.

I did read that sentence again and laughed my butt off: "damming"! Ha. Their understanding of science is as defective as their understanding of Engllish.
111 posted on 08/12/2002 9:57:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: TomB; Jim Robinson
In previous discussion groups I have consistently vocalized the opinion that God's moral law is antecedent to the authority of the US Constitution. So far, not even the most liberal medical-legal attorneys could argue this fact.

Based upon the assumption that "thou shalt not kill" is a commandment, physician directed or assisted suicide is immoral. If physician assisted suicide is immoral, neglect is clearly illegal.

Anti vaccine shrills are often motivated by the loud rhetoric of individuals who claim harm or injury through a perceived negligence by the collective medical community. Although this allegation is often leveled, it is never supported by fact.

Free Republic is doing a disservice to the citizens by permitting this continual threads. These threads do not contain any basis in reality, yet the emotion of the arguments suggests negligence by physicians.

Vaccine policy is clearly moral and it is clearly scientifically valid. This story of "Yurko" is the converse, neither moral nor scientific.

It appears Mr. Yurko is motivated by an intense desire to refute shaken baby. However, any pathologist or pediatrician can diagnose the differences between encephalitis and shaken baby. The reality is that the signs of shaken baby syndrome have little in common to the proposed "vaccine associated" diseases.

The effects of these reports in the news media have been utterly disasterous to our national public health planning. In fact, the number of tests during vaccine production surpass 1000 checks. It converts a week long process to one requiring over one year. This escalates vaccine costs and slows production.

Last year, for the first time in many years, the rate of Pertussis began to rise again. Is it any coincidence that the pertussis vaccine has been attacked by these strange arguments?

Lastly, I see little moral difference between murder and the effect of not immunizing a child. Shaken baby syndrome is caused by an adult slamming a baby against a wall or floor or shaking the baby so hard that the baby's eyes, brain, and internal organs bleed).

Yurko appears to be attempting to appropriate an invalid scientific argument in order to convince our judiciary that his conviction was unjust. Given the current state of the federal judiciary, I would not be surprised if these incredible scientific arguments are honored by a court hearing. Such hearing would be judicial, but clearly not scientific.

Still, there is little question regarding the morality involved. In my opinion, knowingly withholding vaccine is just as bad as withdrawing life support prematurely.

112 posted on 08/12/2002 11:29:07 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: libravoter
Yes...

for what it's worth - vaccine policy changes are being considered...

although, some parents believe this is not enough...

do the benefits really out weigh the risks?

if it were your child - ask yourself that question - seriously...

if your child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine what would you do, who could you turn to?

not everyone is out to get the pharmaceutical industry as some have suggested on this thread...

vaccine safety, and necessity, is what should be discussed openly and candidly on FR...

Salk's vaccine causes herd immunity...

...the link to below

Polio vaccine policy may change

POLIO QUICK FACTS

Polio, short for poliomyelitis, is a viral infection that may lead to paralysis and death. It is caused by three closely related viruses and is most commonly spread by direct contact with infected individuals.

A vaccine developed by Dr. Jonas Salk in the 1950s has virtually eliminated polio from most of the world.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has set a goal of global eradication of polio by the year 2000.

In 1994, the WHO declared the Americas free of polio. The last case was reported in Peru in 1991.

In 1995, 78 percent of children around the world had received at least three doses of polio vaccine in their first year, and half of the world's youngest children were immunized in mass vaccination campaigns.

Source: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization

June 16, 1999

Web posted at: 10:08 a.m. EDT (1408 GMT)

From Medical Correspondent Rhonda Rowland

(CNN) -- U.S. health officials are expected to vote Wednesday on a new polio vaccine policy. Although polio is considered eradicated in the United States, each year since 1979 a handful of children have contracted the crippling disease from the vaccine.

Those with vaccine-associated polio contract it from the oral (live virus) vaccine.

In 1997, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended changes in the polio vaccine schedule in order to lower children's risk of contracting the disease.

Under the new guidelines, children are to be given two killed-virus injections, followed by two live-virus oral vaccines. But these changes are not mandatory, and families with children who suffered vaccine-associated polio say the changes haven't gone far enough.

"It's well known that the oral polio vaccine very rarely causes paralytic polio. It's not a common event, fortunately it only occurs five to 10 times per year in the United States," said Dr. Tom Chalk, Children's Medical Group of Atlanta.

Parents of children with vaccine-related polio have banded together to urge the CDC to recommend dropping the oral vaccine completely in favor of using the injectable vaccine.

Health officials have been reluctant to eliminate the oral vaccine because it does a better job fighting wild polio, but that threat may soon disappear. Experts expect to reach their goal of eradicating polio worldwide by the end of 2000.


113 posted on 08/13/2002 12:57:04 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: bonesmccoy
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Phone: (800) 635-1196

Hotline: (800) 419-4777

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc.

A Voice for Private Physicians Since 1943

Omnia pro aegroto

Nov. 2, 2000

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Contact: Kathryn Serkes (202) 333-3855

DOCTORS’ GROUP VOTES TO OPPOSE VACCINE MANDATES

A leading national physician organization is calling for a moratorium on all government mandated vaccines and has passed a resolution to that end at their annual meeting.

Members of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) voted this week at their 57th Annual Meeting in St. Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Resolution and mandatory vaccine fact sheet posted at www.aapsonline.org)

"Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits," said Jane M. Orient, MD, AAPS Executive Director.

"This is not a vote against vaccines," said Dr. Orient. "This resolution only attempts to halt blanket vaccine mandates by government agencies and school districts that give no consideration for the rights of the parents or the individual medical condition of the child."

Forty-two states have mandatory vaccine policies, and many children are required to have 22 shots before first grade. On top of that, as a condition for school attendance, many school districts require vaccination for diseases such as hepatitis B -- primarily an adult disease, usually spread by multiple sex partners, drug abuse or an occupation with exposure to blood.

And yet, children under the age of 14 are three times more likely to suffer adverse effects -- including death -- following the hepatitis b vaccine than to catch the disease itself.

Just last week, students in Utica, NY were sent home from school, and told they could not return until they had been forced to receive hep B vaccinations. Further, parents were threatened by Child Protective Services with possible seizure of their children based on "education neglect."

"It’s obscene to threaten to seize a child just because his parents refuse medical treatment that is obviously unnecessary and perhaps even dangerous," said Dr. Orient. "AAPS believes that parents, with the advice of their doctors, should make decisions about their children’s medical care -- not government bureaucrats. This Resolution affirms that position."

(Note: AAPS is a professional association of physicians dedicated since 1943 to the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship.)


114 posted on 08/13/2002 2:01:42 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: aruanan
I did read that sentence again and laughed my butt off: "damming"! Ha. Their understanding of science is as defective as their understanding of Engllish.

Perhaps you should laugh your butt off after visiting this website, too...

We have created this website to tell our son's story and to share with other parents the information we have found about pediatric brain tumors and about childhood vaccinations. This information is designed to help parents exercise informed consent and make intelligent decisions regarding their child's health, especially when their child has cancer. For my husband and I, this information represents what we wished we had found when we feverishly searched for information on pediatric brain tumors in the fall of 1998.

While we focus on cancer and chemotherapy, we also discuss childhood vaccinations because there is substantial medical literature to suggest a potential link between vaccines and the rise of various cancers including brain tumors in children.

On August 10, 1998 at age two, our son Alexander Horwin was diagnosed with the most common pediatric brain tumor, medulloblastoma. After Alexander endured two brain surgeries my husband and I located the best non-toxic therapy that had proven successful in treating brain cancer. However, on September 21, 1998, the FDA denied Alexander access to this potentially life-saving treatment.

The oncologists told us that without their "state-of-the-art" chemotherapy, the cancer would soon return. We knew nothing of the history, efficacy and actual danger of chemotherapy but instinctively knew it was a poor choice for therapy. However, now that the FDA had denied Alexander his best chance of survival using a non-toxic therapy that had saved other children, we had no other treatment options left. Reluctantly we started chemo on October 7, 1998. The protocol was entitled CCG 9921 which consisted of intravenous administration of four chemo drugs: vincristine, cisplatin, cyclophosphamide (also called cytoxan), and VP16 (also called etoposide). Alexander completed his third month of chemotherapy in December 1998 and died on January 31, 1999. He was just two and a half years old.

After our loving, bright, happy and handsome son passed away, we wanted to know why. The doctors were unable to provide us with a single lucid answer regarding any of the following questions. Why did our son have cancer at the age of two? Where did it come from? Why is this particular cancer in children increasing? Why did he die while on chemotherapy and only one quarter of the way into the protocol? Since both my husband and I had worked in the medical field we knew where to look for answers. We spent a year reading everything that we could find on the subject of cancer in children. We expended thousands of hours pouring over medical literature, communicating with doctors and scientists, and speaking to parents of children who were permanently disabled or killed by vaccines, and parents of children who were dead as a result of cancer or its treatment. This research provided a number of insights.

For example, the so-called "state-of-the-art" chemo protocol that the oncologists had administered to our son had proven its ineffectiveness in pediatric brain tumors many years before. In fact, in 1994, the exact same chemo drugs Alexander received in 1998 had been administered to children the same age with the same brain tumor (medulloblastoma) as Alexander. This experiment proved so unsuccessful that tumors spread within five months and the oncologists terminated the protocol. It was incredible to us to discover that chemotherapy that had already proven so ineffective that it required termination was being presented to parents as "state of the art" years later. We were never informed about the failure of this therapy. We also discovered that we weren't the only parents being purposefully misinformed. Today, parents are still being misled and children with brain cancer are still getting these same toxic drugs that have proven their ineffectiveness in the past. But even if you are informed that orthodox therapy does not work you still may not have a choice. When we hesitated to bring Alexander in for chemo the oncologists were already gearing up to take him from us by court order.

We have written to more than 30 Members of Congress about our findings and have provided written testimony to congressional hearings. (The documents are posted on this site.) By sharing our son's lethal encounter with the medical industry, other parents can take heed, learn and perhaps prevent the same horror from happening to their child.

We encourage parents to exercise informed consent before agreeing to any medical intervention for their child. Informed consent means that you know and understand the truth about all of the risks and benefits. This may require you to conduct your own research; read books, medical articles, etc. One excellent resource is available on the Internet: Medline includes over nine million citations of indexed and searchable articles on hundreds of medical topics taken from the world's best peer-reviewed medical journals. Another source of information is the manufacturer's insert that comes packaged with every single drug or vaccine. It's a good idea to read it before the drug/vaccine is administered to your child.

About Childhood Vaccinations and

Simian Virus 40 (SV40)

Cancer & Vaccines: This 16 page letter was sent to Congressman Dan Burton regarding the U.S. House Government Reform Committee hearing "Vaccines: Finding the Balance Between Public Safety and Personal Choice". It discusses the potential links between pediatric cancer & childhood vaccination.

Interview about the potential dangers of childhood vaccination

Ensuring Safe, Effective And Necessary Vaccines For Children This article was originally published in the Spring 2001 edition of the California Western Law Review. It explores the financial forces and conflicts of interest behind the ever increasing numbers of vaccines mandated for children.

Information About Simian Virus 40 (SV40): “The discovery in 1960 that a DNA tumour virus, designated simian virus 40 (SV40) was an inadvertent contaminant of rhesus monkey cells, and consequently the poliovirus and adenovirus vaccines that were made in these cells...confronted the scientific and regulatory community with the very problem they had sought to avoid in vaccine development...namely the presence of an occult tumor virus in viral vaccines.” - From Simian Virus 40 (SV40): A Possible Human Polyomavirus, National Institute of Health, Bethesda, Maryland, Jan. 27-28, 1997

here is the link to the rest of the story...


115 posted on 08/13/2002 2:20:10 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: USA21
Basically... we are screwed.

I have great concern about vaccines. The immune system is far more complex than anyone understands. Our level of scientific understanding is something along the lines of poking at stick at it to see what it does. Vaccines work by stimulating the body to generate antibodies. But antibodies are not always monogamous with the intended antigens. And perhaps our model of how the system works is really only 20% of the entire process. Yuck.

On the other hand... go to an old cemetary. Look at the ages of the people there and you will not something "unusual": zillions of kids under 10.

The "good old days" were horrible. Early death from disease was common. Imagine the type of life one led when it wasn't uncommon for your young child to die a horrible deseased death. Constant fear. Geez. No thanks.

So basically... we are damned if we do... and damned if we don't.

Hopefully our science will grow to a point were we don't have these problems.
116 posted on 08/13/2002 2:25:53 AM PDT by TheLooseThread
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To: alnick
>>Autism is most commonly found in first-born males.

Probably need two things....the first born male could be susceptible to the vaccine's negative effects. Something like an allergy

117 posted on 08/13/2002 2:34:33 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: Dianna
I thought I read somewhere that autism is caused by an overdevelopment in the brain in utero

Really? That is interesting. What is Asperger Syndrome? I have never heard of that.

My grandson has CP, not too badly, he's a diapalegic, but on a scale of one to ten he is a five on the autism. It was easy to pick him out on the chart. The Doctor said it was sensory perception deprivation which I also never heard of. But that is what he was treated for. Strange treatments, but he seems better. He is also very smart and has a personality, plus.

118 posted on 08/13/2002 2:49:26 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: TomB
Tom, how long have you been a pharmaceutical saleman?
119 posted on 08/13/2002 2:56:13 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
Tom, how long have you been a pharmaceutical saleman?

BWHAHHAHAHAH!!!!

I can't believe it took over 100 replies for some Einstein to come up with that one, it usually crops up within 10 or 20.

So tell me, how long have you supported child murder?

120 posted on 08/13/2002 3:47:54 AM PDT by TomB
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