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Gay priests doubts, fears grow as Church deals with abuse crisis
Dallas Morning News ^ | 7/27/2002 | Mark Wrolstad

Posted on 07/27/2002 8:06:59 AM PDT by sinkspur

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"The fact that the bishops are unwilling to discuss the homosexual issue is an indictment against them."

Bullseye! Methinks many of the bishops don't want the spotlight of scrutiny to shine too brightly upon themselves. There are more Weaklands amongst the episcopacy.

Like many of his peers, Dallas Coadjutor Bishop Joseph Galante concludes that the sexual orientation of a priest or seminarian is irrelevant; they should have "psycho-sexual maturity" and be spiritually and socially healthy.

Orientation certainly was irrelevant in the cases of Kos, Geoghan, Shanley, et al wasn't it Joseph. Galante should change his name to P.T. Barnum and continue dodging the spotlight. He's just another cafeteria cleric. The message he sends the laity by ignoring Vatican decree is that they too can pick and choose. People like him are dangerous to the faith.

21 posted on 07/27/2002 9:31:56 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: sinkspur
Generally speaking, priests are able to preach correctly--although the "assigned topics" from Chanceries have been a little light over the last 10 years. (They don't like to address the tough questions, like artificial birth control, shacking up, etc.)

OTOH, I agree wholeheartedly with you that those who 'twist' the doctrine or teachings ought to be dealt with, quickly and firmly.

22 posted on 07/27/2002 9:36:26 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: Jim Noble
The gay priest problem is exactly this-advocates of gay priests (and of divorce) do not seek repentance and change-they want the Church to proclaim from the rooftops that bad is good.

Those who preach and agitate in this fashion ought to be TOSSED!!!!

23 posted on 07/27/2002 9:38:39 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: sinkspur
"I think that has to happen, keeping homosexuals out of the seminaries and priesthood," said the Rev. Charles Dahlby

Gays are attracted to the priesthood because it guarentees ACCESS...just like gays want to be Boy Scout Leaders. I maintain a constitutional right to be DISGUSTED by adult gays who target kids and teens. The media is WAY OFF base to call them "pedophile" priests. More accurately in MOST cases, they are GAY-Pedophile priests....but the pro-gay folks don't want anyone to connect the dots between "GAY and Pedophile".

24 posted on 07/27/2002 9:51:05 AM PDT by two23
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To: sinkspur
"If a priest CAN be celibate, then who would know or care what his orientation is?"

Then he isn't gay. Gay means active lifestyle.
25 posted on 07/27/2002 9:54:20 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Domestic Church
"If a priest CAN be celibate, then who would know or care what his orientation is?"

You: Then he isn't gay. Gay means active lifestyle.

You're right. The Catholic church teaches that it's okay to be gay IF you remain celibate. Of course this is NOT Christian. Catholic dont' believe that through God ALL things are possible. Catholics don't believe that. It's redefined compassion.

If you look at the Exodus website that helps gays straighten themselves out, you'll see that it is ONLY the Catholics that find being gay acceptable. Humorously they call their litel group "Courage". It is anything but that. It is "courage" to turn away from the gay lifestyle and mindset and lead a heterosexual life as God intended. ALL the other groups trying to help gays call on God to help them and they have SUCCESS! So, Catholics are soft on gays.

More importantly God abhors the unnatrualness of being gay whether it be male or female same sex attraction. God also holds religious leaders to a higher standard. I am continually amazed at what the Catholic church does in violating God's Word. NO gay is fit to be a leader in anything godly. This is akin to mocking God with this abomination as His representative. Once again, Catholicism is not Biblical and does not follow the teachings of Christ. As for me, my daughter is not permitted near of in a Catholic church. I don't want her in danger of this perversion that is protected by the Catholic church.

26 posted on 07/27/2002 10:23:41 AM PDT by nmh
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To: sinkspur
I am married, heterosexual, and monogamous. If I were a widow, I would be chaste. Whose business is it?

As long as the priest is not engaging in sexual relations (as any of his unmarried parishioners would be forbidden to do), why do we care about his sexual orientation? This priest should not fear anything, unless he is misbehaving.

27 posted on 07/27/2002 10:26:12 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: sinkspur
Define basic terms here:

Homosexuality = predispostion

Gay = lifestyle

The article & others like it (conveniently) equates the two terms, so that:

Homosexual = Gay

and, successfully confuses the underlying issue - can a priest live a gay lifestyle.

The Roman Catholic Church has decided that a gay lifestyle is an inappropriate & unacceptable lifestyle for a Roman Catholic Priest.

28 posted on 07/27/2002 10:37:37 AM PDT by AncientAirs
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To: nmh
You got our beliefs jumbled. For the actual beliefs (not the American dissenting viewpoint) you have to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Homosexuals, celibate or not aren't supposed to be ordained as it is intrinsically disordered. And we do believe that through God all things are possible.
29 posted on 07/27/2002 10:38:12 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: sinkspur
A church which recognizes homosexual/pedophile priests is not a church under God.

The very concept is diametrically opposed to God's law and Natural law, whichever holds value for you.

There are no gay priests, period. If they are actively engaged in activity which would define them as such, then they are not actively representing any interests in the name of God. When any church makes a point to recongize them they have effectively openly declared they are not a church that serves God, but instead serve the enemy.

30 posted on 07/27/2002 10:50:08 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: sinkspur
The unidentified priest wasn't disciplined because he said nothing untoward;
the other pastor stepped down because of sexually suggestive remarks
about Hispanic men in an old e-mail
.

To some, the priests' sin was – and is – being gay.


Whoever "some" is/are, then they must have trouble with the English language.
If this is about the website frequented by Texas priests that got publicity a few
months ago, it was VERY clear what one priest was after.

His comments on the website (presuming he was the one who typed them) couldn't have
been interpreted as anything other than a gay adult male hunting for adolescent
Hispanic teen males for sexual gratification.

That priest may have not been a pedophile, but an ephebophile. But at the same time
he was bent on violating the injunctions against homosexual activity (a moral injunction)
and having intimate relations with an person under age 18 (a statutory violation).

I don't care if they are gay, straight, or bi-sexual...when anybody goes
shopping for youngsters...they should get the smackdown, but good.

And "homophobia" should be the the least of their worries. Trying to survive too
many "prom dates" while in prison should be a greater concern for them.
31 posted on 07/27/2002 11:06:05 AM PDT by VOA
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To: sinkspur
With the scandal exploding in unexpected directions,

What a telling remark.It infers that there was an "expected" direction that this "scandal"would take and that it was not a demand for a critical review of the suitabiity of homosexuals for,or,in the priesthood.

32 posted on 07/27/2002 11:27:50 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: sinkspur; scripter; *Homosexual Agenda
BTTT
33 posted on 07/27/2002 11:30:39 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Jim Noble
Just because one is a good Catholic doesn't make him a good priest---like someone with schizophrenia, for example.
34 posted on 07/27/2002 11:49:21 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: valkyrieanne
Why does anyone have to know about a gay priest's homosexuality at all? If he's supposed to not have sex with anyone, who needs to know? Who cares?

A minority of priests (homosexuals) brought about over 95% of the molestations against teenage boys. Clearly, homosexual men (and priests) are much, much more likely to involve themselves sexually with teenagers than are heterosexual men. Most parents I know will NEVER let their sons be alone with a priest anywhere, and for good reason. We have several thousand reasons (homosexual molestations)to not trust priests with our sons. Further, most of the homosexual priests are sexually active. Who trusts a priest who can't keep his vows, and who actively sins? The Catholic Church has to decide - a queerized Church, vs. one in which people can trust their priests around their kids.

35 posted on 07/27/2002 11:52:22 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: sinkspur
If a priest CAN be celibate, then who would know or care what his orientation is?

Because Sinkspur, homosexual priests have shown a strong tendency in the Church to molest teenage boys. How the heck should I know if a priest is celibate? All I know now is that there are hordes of sexually active homosexual priests in my Church, and that we're supposed (ha ha) to trust our sons with them (and to teach them Catholic sexual morality too).

36 posted on 07/27/2002 11:54:52 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: AncientAirs
The Roman Catholic Church has decided that a gay lifestyle is an inappropriate & unacceptable lifestyle for a Roman Catholic Priest.

Read Goodbye, Good Men. We have huge number of homosexual priests actively engaged in the gay (promiscuous) lifestyle. If the Roman Catholic Church has made this decision, it hasn't enforced it one wit.

37 posted on 07/27/2002 11:58:47 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: sinkspur
The idea of some massive witchhunt to root out gay priests who are observing the law of celibacy is absurd and is NOT going to happen.

Every survey I've seen shows that the homosexual priests in the Church are 80%, 90% sexually active. They should be rooted out.

38 posted on 07/27/2002 12:00:48 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: saradippity
Excellent catch! With the gay agenda to adopt children being splattered by the ephebophilia.
39 posted on 07/27/2002 12:21:32 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: yendu bwam
"The Catholic Church has to decide - a queerized Church, vs. one in which people can trust their priests around their kids."

The Roman Catholic Church already has decided but the American Catholic Church is off track. There might be more to this than meets the eye. Some think there is a link between the potential of schism and the agenda of the millenni project of the epa. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/719579/posts
40 posted on 07/27/2002 12:30:46 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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