Posted on 07/27/2002 8:06:59 AM PDT by sinkspur
There's no mystery. These guys don't "long" to be priests because they want to be PRIESTS. They enter the priesthood because word has gotten around in the homosexual underground that they will be sheltered, coddled, and encouraged in their homosexual predations in the Catholic priesthood, and the priesthood is a good place to meet BOYS.
"I work for myself."
You are right, you can protect your life and family from the vermin. You won't live on easy street but you will keep those dear to you safe.
In the church we talk about the, "people in the pews".
The people in the pews have very little knowledge of the state of the church and they don't have a clue what is happening in the priesthood.
I live in the San Francisco area. Every sermon is about accepting others as they are. No sin. No contrition. No Christianity just do your own thing!!
I have not heard a homily in my Church that mentions sin, hell, authentic Catholic sexual morality, or confession, in the last 10 years, or that mentions the true nature of this scandal in the last, for that matter. Those who commit evil within the Church (not an insubstantial number) relie on the goodness and faith and trust of the 'people of the pews.' As one of those, we have been horrendously betrayed, by those we would have trusted most.
You bet they do. And they're still bitter because the young men in the Boy Scouts were declared off limits to them.
As long as any CELIBATE queer priest remains CELIBATE, obeys the laws of the Church, teaches the Magisterium correctly, prays in private, goes to confession frequently, and just in general behaves himself the way a priest should behave, I have no problem with him being my pastor. However, the chances of a priest with homosexual tendencies being able to meet the above criteria is a little on the slim side.
Shocking as it is, many priests have abandoned Christianity in many of its aspects - or they never accepted it to begin with.
You get it.
"the priesthood is a good place to meet BOYS."
I was an altar boy in a very conservative parrish in the 50's. Before there was a "Gay Menace". The priests were truly dedicated to the Lord and the Church.
In the 60's as a teenager I met up with "CHICKEN HAWKS" which are gay men (secular in the 60's) who prey upon young nieve boys and introduce them to gay sex. I didn't sucumb!
By the grace of God only I was not influenced by the slime and their devious ways. The priests of my youth taught me to resist evil and love Christ.
"trust of the 'people of the pews.' As one of those, we have been horrendously betrayed, by those we would have trusted most."
Yes, the betrayal!
I learned about it in 1984. A priest told me the semenaries were corrupt. I didn't accept it and I kept my mout shut.
A homosexual guy made an physical advance on me once in college in the men's showers. I slammed his head against the wall and told him that if he ever did that again, he would face consequences he would never forget. Then I told everyone on my hall what happened. He never came to our showers again.
I've known homosexual priests before, and I assumed they were holy men. But after reading Goodbye Good Men, and the reports emerging from this scandal, I've changed my mind. The priesthood is full of active homosexual men who pray in Church and then go hump themselves in the evening. And then they go looking for boys. There's a threshold. A few might be OK. Too many, and sexual, financial, moral corruption bring down the Church and ruin kids' (and their families') lives.
Are you really so naive? Imagine a few years in a close knit seminary with 50% of homosexuals. Can you imagine co-ed monastery?
Homosexuals can struggle with their addiction as laymen (as believing drug addicts and alcoholics do). If they are really cured then can marry (with a woman that is) if not they should stay away from young men. There are many more other vocations or professions than priests.
BTW, are you a Christian, sinskspur?
Even with men and women, you usually have pairs that form. With homosexuals, it's just sex all the time. Putting a whole lot of homosexual men together in close quarters is a recipe for wanton and unrestrained (and filthy and depraved) sexual behavior. Putting them around teenage boys is a recipe for ruined innocent lives. Those priests who are active homosexual (what, 1/3 of the priesthood?) have no business being around my sons, ever.
Those who are already priests and are proven to be good and faithful should be left alone. But there is no need to let new homosexuals into seminaries. Especially that times are very corrupt and homosexuality is being promoted left and right. Being a priest is not a right or privilege, it is a service. The Catholic Church cannot afford more experimentation.
Could you direct this newbie to the precise reference in the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, as to where it teaches this?
Of course this is NOT Christian.
agree with you there. We read the bible, and site that homosexuality (and the acts that go along with it) are an abomination.
Catholic dont' believe that through God ALL things are possible. Catholics don't believe that.
Funny, that was the key topic of Fr. Joe's homily last weekend ;o). Seems to be a key thing at my parish.
If you look at the Exodus website that helps gays straighten themselves out, you'll see that it is ONLY the Catholics that find being gay acceptable.
I certainly hope you are not basing your feelings on The Church entirely on this ridiculous website. If you are, your comments explain your ignorance about what the church actually teaches.
But like I said, please site for me where in the Cathechism the Church teaches that "it's okay to be gay," I'd be most interested to read it, so I can go to my bishop and tell him where to stick it.
A parish priest in the town next to us methodically befriended six vulnerable boys (ages 13, 14), and over the course of a year or two, got them to watch homosexual pornography, and to allow themselves to be fondled by the priest. In the most evil way, he told them this was normal sexual behavior for men, and that they should be pleased that a priest was introducing them to this. It shortly proceeded to weekly anal rape. All the while, the horrified boys were told that this was part of manhood and that they needed to keep it quiet - and that everyone else did the same! God, please be with these abused people, as they struggle to live their lives in the aftermath of such mental and spiritual and physical torture.
You are confused. Probably because most discussions in the media twist this around. They make gayness an innate part of personality, unchangable.
Gay means defining one's personality according to one's sexual orientation, and going along with the so called gay lifestyle.
People with sexual temptations who do not act on them are not sinners.
Sin is an action, not the temptation. So God indeed does love someone who is tempted and tries to stay pure.
Catholics consider such temptations a personality defect, similar to personality defects toward drinking and drugs and promiscuity. They are probably partly innate, but mainly developmentally defined. They can be cured, but not in all cases. Like alcoholics, they must take one day at a time.
As for God not liking people who are tempted with same sex attraction: ah, if you only knew how wide and deep is the love of God who showed us this love when Jesus died for us.
Then how can the priest in the article say this "Any priest who is gay feels at risk. We're not used to living under suspicion. We're used to being trusted." - it must be a topic of conversation among the homosexual priests or the speaker has taken it upon himself to speak for all homosexual priests.
Exactly.
Furthermore if they even identify themselves as "gay" when they know homosexuality is prohibited by God and the Church, what do they expect the reaction to be?
This is their own fault.
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