Posted on 07/17/2002 1:58:36 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
As detailed in my referenced thread, TWA800 was out of range of a stinger at that time.
GSA(P)
I lean this way also. The area was full of military ships and planes. (A terrorist could not have operated in that area without some of our people blowing him out of the water.) But I also see it as being arranged in order to get clinton enemies. See the referenced thread.
GSA(P)
As others who write books have theorized, it may have been a Navy missile test gone wrong. Thus the cover-up to protect Clinton's re-election chances.
But along the way you are thinking, if it was a test gone bad. I wonder why a navy crewman or two with a guilty conscience hasn't come forward.
We'll never know the truth.
Do you have any sources for this? I do recall when McVeigh was caught there was a story about a Middle-eastern looking type as his accomplice. It also strikes me as amazing how quickly he was put to death. I mean we have slimeballs rotting on death row for decades running appeal after appeal, yet this one guy was executed in the span of a year or so. Don't get me wrong, I wish the system always ran that smoothly, but it does make you wonder.
Distance/curvature of the earth. If you were in the Navy, you know roughly how far away the horizon is. Add in buildings, roads, hills...etc. Easy to not see the launch especially if it was 10 miles offshore.
I've participated in night missile shoots and they are unmistakable. They flash of the launch can be seen for miles and the missile itself shoots out a flame as long as a telephone pole. Yet nobody reported seeing anything like that. Why not?
Again, distance. Most of the witnesses were miles away. How big is a telephone pole at 10+ miles? As for different compass headings of the missile trajectory it would just mean the witnesses are seeing it from different points of view and the color differences would be caused by local atmospheric conditions and angle of the rocket plume (brighter and whiter from the rear, for example)
The cover-up may also have been intended to minimize the potential impact on the Olympics in Atlanta that summer (in case some people refused to fly).
Which brings us to the second scenario, super secret military test. A couple of problems with that. If you are testing a secret weapon, why would you do it in the busiest air traffic corridor in the world and next to the largest city in North America? Secret tests are supposed to be that, secret. Testing it where literally millions of people can see it kind of defeats the purpose. A second problem. I spent 9 years active duty in the Navy and another 13 in the reserves, and in all that time I never once fired a live round of any type north of the Virginia capes, and never heard of an instance where that happened. I never once fired a missile north of Puerto Rico where the test range is. The reason is that it was too dangerous, the chances of hitting a plane that blundered into the area was too great. If this was a test of some sort then it would have been coducted hundreds of miles to the south. If this was a highly secret test of some type then it would have been conducted in one of the test ranges in the Pacific, miles from anywhere. So I can't see where your second theory holds water, either.
I'm not trying to mock you. I have no idea what caused the 747 to blow up and I not trying to suggest that I do. But I do have some experience in the military with missiles and missile firings and the idea that the plane was somehow downed by a military missile runs counter to all my experience and understanding in these matters.
The airplane was flying east about 50 miles east of the NYC. How would we know it "was about to be flown into a building in New York City"?
Or are you saying that it was the policy of our government to shoot day every hijacked airplane at that time?
Of course, they denied they were on the scene at first.
What you're suggesting is that based upon "information" they fired on a passenger plane 80 miles from the WTC flying straight and level in the opposite direction from their supposed target. Get real!
ML/NJ
You're right. From #1:
The two National Guard pilots in their nearby helicopter now picked up the streaks high in the sky. Capt. Chris Baur saw the streak Brumley had first observed: "Almost due south, there was a hard white light, like burning pyrotechnics, in level flight. I was trying to figure out what it was. It was the wrong color for flares. It struck an object coming from the right and made it explode."
Maj. Fritz Meyer, a winner of the Distinguished Flying Cross for his service over Vietnam, saw the southbound projectile clearest. "It was definitely a rocket motor," says Meyer.
Sooner or later, someone had to figure it out. You oughta geta prize!
Here is an example of what a Standard RIM-67 launch looks like in the day. Tell me that someone would have missed this at night.
Here is an example of what a Standard RIM-67 launch looks like in the day. Tell me that someone would have missed this at night.
What can I tell you...they were there. You and I weren't. They said they saw a missile. Why should I doubt what they saw?
BTW: A Sea Sparrow doesn't look quite that impressive coming off the launcher.
The U.S. Navy lied about this throughout the course of the investigation (particularly about the number of submarines that were involved, which is curious in and of itself), and finally came clean only when it was clear that nobody believed them anyway.
If you are testing a secret weapon, why would you do it in the busiest air traffic corridor in the world and next to the largest city in North America?
Funny you should mention that -- the military exercises I described actually prompted the U.S. Navy to designate a so-called "no fly zone" in the vicinity that night. I should point out that Flight 800 was NOT inside this zone at any time during its flight, but it apparently was fairly close to it.
Do you believe the "official" explanation of the crash of TWA Flight 800?
I just need to know this -- I am quite certain that a) the official explanation was a lot of bullsh!t, b) the plane was brought down by a surface-based projectile of some kind, and c) the surface-based projectile was not launched by terrorists.
With these three things in mind, I'd say we are just arguing about the details of what really happened.
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