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THE DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800: 'Hey, look at the fireworks'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 | By Jack Cashill and James Sanders

Posted on 07/17/2002 1:58:36 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: acehai
Check you post again. You said 8:12.
121 posted on 07/18/2002 11:19:12 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Ann Archy
...but James KAELSTROM of the FBI conbinced even RUSH LIMBAUGH that it was NOT a rocket that kdowned this plane.

I think it's "Kallstrom." But that's not the important part:

1. Limbaugh is easily convinced by the establishment line.

2. Kallstrom got a TV series out of the deal, with access to FBI Files. (In fact, that's the name of the series.) What might he have done to earn such a reward?

122 posted on 07/18/2002 11:38:17 AM PDT by LantzALot
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To: Non-Sequitur
Check you post again. You said 8:12

You check the followup to that post. Within minutes I apologized for the typo of 8:12 and corrected to 8:31:12 without any prompting from strainers of fly dung out of black pepper.

123 posted on 07/18/2002 11:48:28 PM PDT by acehai
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To: acehai
Ah, you posted that one to yourself. I usually make my responses from the 'My Comments' screen and that's why I missed it. So I stand corrected and offer my apology. Now, what was the point you were trying to make again?
124 posted on 07/19/2002 4:09:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Review Post #115/116 and followup post 120...I think you'll get the point...
125 posted on 07/19/2002 11:40:47 AM PDT by acehai
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To: epluribus_2
(Do I get a young jedi for this speculation?)

Wow! You get my nomination as the next Jack Clancy!

126 posted on 07/19/2002 1:06:25 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: acehai
The word "flare" never entered the conversation between Meyer and Bauer. The question was "Is that Pyro?"

Actually the story doesn't quote any conversation between Captain Bauer and Major Meyer. Captain Bauer, mentions that it "was the wrong color for flares." Other witnesses speak of a 'flare-like object'. So my example of what might have been said is as valid as your claim of "Is that Pyro ?".

It was NOT night.

Night, twilight, none of descriptions come close to resembling a Navy SAM. The most common description is 'flare like object' or 'like a fireworks'. Major Meyer is sure it's a missile, but if it was as large as a Standard with the massive flame and smoke trail a Standard has, then one would think that he or someone else might have noticed that and included that kind of information in their descriptions.

I have no idea what the people saw. Missile, flare, fireworks, meteorite, I don't know. I wasn't there. I am merely pointing out that, day or night, none of these descriptions come close to what a Navy SAM looks like.

127 posted on 07/19/2002 1:26:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
So my example of what might have been said is as valid as your claim of "Is that Pyro ?".

Not so, me foyn grasshoppa...It's not my claim...It's a matter of public record.

From the Grenada Forum:

[Meyer] At that moment my co-pilot was the first to speak and he said - he's an experienced officer - coast guard helicopter pilot - former army helicopter pilot - now flies with the US Customs Office and is a weekend warrior with the Air Guard as I was - he said: "Is that pyro?".

To read the entire Grenada Forum presentation of Major Fritz Meyer

CLICK HERE

128 posted on 07/19/2002 11:38:27 PM PDT by acehai
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To: Non-Sequitur
...The sight would have been unmistakable to any military person who witnessed it and there were a number in the area.

I know you've seen this before, but just to refresh your memory: From the Grenada Forum, ANG Pavehawk helicopter pilot Fred "Fritz" Meyer says...

"When you fly a helicopter at 120 knots over North Vietnam in the iron triangle - in the most heavily defended airspace in the history of warfare - you see a lot of missiles - you see a lot of flak - and I did - I saw a bunch of it - I know what it looks like. My purpose in being here tonight is to tell you that what I saw explode in the sky on July 17, 1996 was military ordnance...We're here is to say it's no accident - somebody shot this aircraft down"

CLICK HERE

To review the entire article

129 posted on 08/12/2002 2:10:56 AM PDT by acehai
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To: acehai
And as I have said before on numerous occasions I have no idea what caused the explosion on that 747. All I have said is that none of the descriptions that I have read have come close to resembling a Navy surface to air missile. I can't speak to any other kind of missile. If Meyer says it was a missile, fine. But it wasn't a Standard.
130 posted on 08/12/2002 3:40:54 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
If Meyer says it was a missile, fine.

Mayer didn't say it was a missile. He said he saw military ordnance

But it wasn't a Standard.

You can state that in your experience, it wasn't any Standard you're familiar with, or in your opinion it wasn't a Standard: You'd be perfectly within your perogatives to do so...But can you state catagorically that it was not a Block that you may be unaware of...IMHO, I don't think you can.

Heck! It doesn't sound like a Standard to me, either, but I wasn't there, as you were not. Meyer said it was "military ordnance"...Fine!

131 posted on 08/12/2002 10:00:56 AM PDT by acehai
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To: acehai
So if it wasn't a missile then what sort of military ordnance do you suppose it could have been?
132 posted on 08/12/2002 10:03:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Revolutionary
I recall after TWA-800 went down, Clinton said he was coming to NYC to meet with the families. Cardinal O'Connor told him if you show up, I will leave.

Clinton was a no show.

I sure loved O'Connor, he could smell a rat when he saw one.

133 posted on 08/12/2002 10:07:00 AM PDT by mware
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To: Non-Sequitur
So if it wasn't a missile then what sort of military ordnance do you suppose it could have been?

Errmm...I don't believe I said it "wasn't a missile". What I said was,[Post 131] "It doesn't sound like a Standard to me, either"...Meyer had the same problem in being mis-quoted initially by the press.

134 posted on 08/12/2002 10:54:08 AM PDT by acehai
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To: acehai
I said it didn't look like a missile to me and you say it wasn't a missile, it was military ordnanace. I ask then if it wasn't a missile then what kind of military ordnance was it and you say that you didn't say it wasn't a missile. I give up.
135 posted on 08/12/2002 11:27:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I said it didn't look like a missile to me and you say it wasn't a missile, it was military ordnanace. I ask then if it wasn't a missile then what kind of military ordnance was it and you say that you didn't say it wasn't a missile. I give up.

In the interest of accuracy:

You did NOT say: "it didn't look like a missile to me." You said< [Post 130]..."it wasn't a Standard."

I did NOT say "it wasn't a 'missile'. I said, [Post 131/134] "It doesn't sound like a Standard to me, either."

I did NOT say it was military ordnance. Fritz Meyer did.

I DID say:[Post 134] I don't believe I said it "wasn't a missile". What I said was,[Post 131] "It doesn't sound like a Standard to me, either"

Do not attempt to put words in my mouth...I was dealing with obfuscation before you opened your first "dittybag."

"missile"
"ordnance"
"Standard"

136 posted on 08/12/2002 12:26:46 PM PDT by acehai
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