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McCain Push To Close Gun Show Loophole Has Both Parties Nervous
McClatchy Newspapers ^ | June 19, 2002 | Lawrence M. O'Rourke

Posted on 06/20/2002 5:31:30 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest

WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain has been an irritant to fellow Republicans, leading the fight for campaign finance reform, criticizing them for pork-barrel spending and unsuccessfully challenging George Bush in a hard-fought 2000 White House campaign.

Now the Arizona senator's at it again, but this time he's also making the Democrats nervous. He's teaming up with Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., on an issue that both parties fear might be too hot and time-consuming to handle only a few months before the midterm congressional election:

Gun control.

McCain wants to require criminal background checks on all firearms transactions at the 4,500 gun shows in the United States each year.

"It just makes no sense to allow criminals and terrorists to evade background checks at a time when we are tightening homeland security," McCain says.

But the senator has come under pressure from both Democratic and Republican leaders to let the bill lie dormant until after the election and congressional approval of President Bush's plan for reorganizing the government to enhance homeland security, according to Senate sources.

"Outside urban areas, gun control is a kiss-of-death issue for Democrats," said Joseph DiSarro, political scientist at Washington and Jefferson College in Washington, Pa.

There were indications Wednesday that McCain might be backing away from pressing the issue this year.

McCain's press spokesman said McCain has not made a decision on when and how he will ask the Senate to vote on his plan.

Previously, McCain suggested he would make such a move prior to the July 4 recess, a week away.

McCain has argued that his bill would be a major step toward ending the sale of weapons to terrorists, as well as ordinary criminals, through a loophole in federal law that permits sales at gun shows without a background check.

The National Rifle Association responded that the McCain camp is "exploiting the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 in order to further its anti-Second Amendment agenda."

Even supporters of the McCain proposal agree that the legislation almost certainly won't go anywhere this session, which expires in early October.

In the meantime, Congress has its plate full with the Bush anti-terrorism plan and a slew of spending bills needed to keep the federal government operating beyond the close of the fiscal year on Sept. 30.

But the McCain bill has gotten noticed because it could force a vote in the Senate that would be awkward both for advocates and opponents of closing the gun show loophole.

For congressional supporters of stricter gun control, mostly Democrats, the bill could generate a campaign issue that might disrupt the core Democratic campaign theme.

Democrats want to tell voters that Republicans have defaulted on a social agenda of prescription drug coverage, a patient's bill of rights, aid to education and protection of Social Security.

On the other hand, political analysts say that Senate Republicans up for re-election don't want to vote against legislation that McCain contends would help keep guns out of the hands of terrorists.

"Without question, many Democrats are fearful of the gun issue. They hide their heads in the sand," said Matt Bennett, spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety, a new advocacy group for tougher gun laws. The group is sponsoring ads to promote the McCain legislation.

"Democrats don't want to provoke the NRA into mobilizing its grassroots and money against them," Bennett said. "But the NRA will be in the campaign anyway because they want to keep power in the hands of Republican leaders who are very hostile to gun control."

One indication of the political skittishness over the McCain-Lieberman proposal is the short list of co-sponsors. The list includes New York Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, Delaware Democrat om Carper and Ohio Republican Mike DeWine.

While McCain's gun control bill faces dim prospects, a surprising duo in the House might have a brighter outlook.

That duo consists of one of the strongest advocates of gun control, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and one of the implacable foes of gun control, Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich.

They are sponsoring a bill to spend $1.1 billion for three years to put together a complete national database of people who have committed crimes with guns or violence. Gun control advocates see it as a critical step toward keeping guns away from criminals and terrorists.

McCarthy came to Congress with gun control as her core issue after a gunman killed her husband and seriously wounded her son on the Long Island Railroad.

Dingell, the senior member of the House serving his 23rd term, has persistently fought proposals to curb gun ownership. In 1999, two months after the Columbine High School murders, Dingell, a former NRA board member, teamed with conservative House Republicans to reject a three-day background check on sales at gun shows.


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1 posted on 06/20/2002 5:31:30 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
McCain is as unseemly as Bill Clinton in his frantic search for a legacy. He is now a man without a moral compass, willing to sign on to any bill as long as it carries his name or imprimatur.
2 posted on 06/20/2002 5:39:26 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
McCainiac wants to be the media darling but all he has proven time and again is that he is the media whore who will do ANYTHING to get his name in the news.
3 posted on 06/20/2002 5:41:25 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: gaspar
He's a democrat in a conservative state. Makes me wonder why they keep reelecting him.
4 posted on 06/20/2002 5:42:43 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The left will keep trying in increments to end private gun ownership, especially dear Hillary and her alter ego Schumer. Most probably the man who shot Mr. McCarthy did not buy his gun legally. The right just needs to keep blocking them.
5 posted on 06/20/2002 6:01:06 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Why doesn't McCain use the same "brilliant" logic he did with the campaign finance reform law? Maybe pass a law that says you cannot shoot and kill anyone within the immediate 30 or 60 days prior to the day you might shoot and kill them?

Make sense? No? The it's just right for McCain, who has not made any sense to me ever. McCain seems like an angry guy that had a little too much tissue removed from his forehead in that last operation he had. A nutcase.

6 posted on 06/20/2002 6:02:06 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
When is his term up?
He had better not even win the Repub primary.
7 posted on 06/20/2002 6:04:11 AM PDT by MrB
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
WHAT LOOPHOLE??? Why, in ALL of the articles, news reports, etc. that have talked about this BS, the authors or broadcasters NEVER PURCHASED A GUN?? Wouldn't THAT be the icing on the cake? Isn't that what investigative reporters do? Gee, funny how NONE of them have EVER mentioned in their stories "it was so easier to use the loophole that I ourchased this gun". DO IT....CONVINCE ME!!! SHOW ME HOW EASY IT IS. Freak'n liars. Scare mongerers.
8 posted on 06/20/2002 6:05:29 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Puppage
You have a really good point. You see all of the time on "investigative" programs the reporters take a camera somewhere and show the public "how easy" something is. They wont do it here. If they did, and you had a crew that knew the law but just wanted to be deceptive, they would just go to a show that allows private individuals to sell, buy a gun from him, and say "see, no paper work, no background check. Its that easy".
10 posted on 06/20/2002 6:56:48 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Puppage
WHAT LOOPHOLE???

Exactly! The GCA68, which required retail dealers to get licenses, was based on the "interstate commerce clause", and was a loophole in itself. "Instant check", which is not the same as a "background check", relies on that same loophole, since it applies only to FFL-licensed retail dealers. It too depends on the loophole of the interstate commerce clause.

But gun-grabbers pretend not to see that. To them, complete federal control of all firearms has always been there, so the non-background-check by non-retail-dealers is a mere "loophole" that should be easily closed. In reality, the gun laws themselves are loopholes within loopholes.

11 posted on 06/20/2002 7:04:30 AM PDT by 300winmag
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
McCain has argued that his bill would be a major step toward ending the sale of weapons to terrorists, as well as ordinary criminals, through a loophole in federal law that permits sales at gun shows without a background check.

Yet another lying sack of $hit reporter. It isn't a loophole, it's a legal exemption. Brady would have never passed in the first place if it required the checks at gun shows. They said "Don't worry, this is only for FFL sales, you can still transact your guns privately at shows" and this is the only reason the bill passed. Now, this legal exemption is called a "loophole" which has to be "closed" - next up are the classified ad "loophole" (already under attack by the antis), then the inheritance "lophole," and finally the private gun ownership "loophole," which "allows" people to own guns at all.

12 posted on 06/20/2002 7:08:53 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: FreeTally
You see all of the time on "investigative" programs the reporters take a camera somewhere and show the public "how easy" something is.

The program would be a non-starter. What most people would conclude is there's nothing wrong with a law-abiding individual citizen selling something he owns to another law-abiding citizen.

Dealers at shows have to complete the same process they do in a shop - FBI check and all. There is no story because a dealer isn't going to put himself in jeapordy by violating the rules. Most know there are ATF slugs at the show trying to entice dealers into under-the-table sales.

13 posted on 06/20/2002 7:49:47 AM PDT by toddst
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
He's a democrat in a conservative state. Makes me wonder why they keep reelecting him. 4 posted on 6/20/02 5:42 AM Pacific by Reaganwuzthebest [

DITTO !!

14 posted on 06/20/2002 7:58:26 AM PDT by timestax
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Outside urban areas, gun control is a kiss-of-death issue for Democrats," said Joseph DiSarro, political scientist at Washington and Jefferson College in Washington, Pa.

Here in Arizona its a Kiss of Death for McLame or anyone else.

15 posted on 06/20/2002 9:14:14 AM PDT by Don Corleone
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
From the article: "McCain has argued that his bill would be a major step toward ending the sale of weapons to terrorists, as well as ordinary criminals, through a loophole in federal law that permits sales at gun shows without a background check."

Yep. I attended a show just last month. I purchased 3 747s, half a dozen box-cutters, two pounds of anthrax, and a crop-duster. I also bought an upgrade to my "Microsoft Flight Simulator Lite"; you know, the version which omits take-offs and landings.

What an embarassment McCain is!

16 posted on 06/20/2002 10:35:06 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
McCain has a little problem with that thing called the Constitution. If it isn't the First Amendment he's trashing, it's the Second. I'm waiting for him to just try and throw the whole thing out.

He's a veteran who fought in Vietnam, but what did he fight for? It doesn't appear to be for freedom.

17 posted on 06/20/2002 7:19:23 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
He's a democrat in a conservative state. Makes me wonder why they keep reelecting him.

Unfortunately this state is not as conservative as it is portrayed. Many of us here wonder how he keeps getting reelected, the old "but he is a war hero" line is wearing thin. May be after his insane actions, and gun grab attempts the idiots will wake up.

18 posted on 06/20/2002 7:31:49 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: MrB
When is his term up?
He had better not even win the Repub primary.

He is up for re-election in 2004.

In the past, Any Republican who would have a chance of being elected wouldn't run against mccain, if he runs again I don't expect Republicans to line up to run against him.

19 posted on 06/20/2002 7:47:16 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; kattracks; Sir Gawain; AnnaZ; imyconsults; Billthedrill; the; KLT; lowbridge; ...
Yep. Those terrorist come over here to the US and go to our gun shows then board a plane back to their homeland and commit acts of terror. Give me a break. They can get a fully auto AK47 for $50 or so at home. They're going to come here so they can get a semi-auto for $500 or so? Not to mention there's probably more BATF and FBI at gun shows than there are actual buyers and sellers. What a nice place for would be terrorists to obtain their weapons. Right.

Good ole Manchurin Candidate McCain is still getting calls telling him to play a little solitare it seems....

20 posted on 06/21/2002 2:01:41 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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