1 posted on
06/03/2002 6:55:44 PM PDT by
LarryLied
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Further resource materials:
Christianity on Trial : Arguments Against Anti-Religious Bigotry
by Vincent Carroll, David Shiflett
A book by a opinon page editor for a Denver newspaper, finds that while Christians
were bad-boys at points of history, today's popular history is not a fair picture
A Concise History of the Crusades
by Thomas F. Madden
As profiled in an article by Madden in Crisis Magazine, the Crusades were defensive campaigns
in response to an Islam that only understood advancement by the sword.
www.voiceofthemartyrs.org
Listen to The Dennis Prager Show (www.newstalk870.com; 9-12 AM PacTime, M-F); this
conservative Jewish commentator will occasionally have a show about the persecution
of Christians worldwide. Prager marvels that American Christians are so silent on the issue.
49 posted on
06/04/2002 9:47:05 AM PDT by
VOA
To: LarryLied
New Century of MartyrsWhat a title!
To: LarryLied
"The statistics he cites are largely meaningless but the effect is to make the Shoah [Holocaust] just one detail in a century of massacres. It is part of an effort by some in the Catholic church to stop the Shoah being the most important event in the 20th century."
Yes, don't you know that Jews have a monopoly on suffering? How ludicrous. This guy should be blasted for minimizing the suffering of Christians.
To: LarryLied
What is the name of this book?
70 posted on
06/04/2002 11:03:53 AM PDT by
Marsh
To: LarryLied
The truth needs to be told. In the United States, it is in vogue to persecute only Christians, but no other group. And the persecution (while mild by international standards) is becoming more intense and widespread, and it is being led by the U.S. Government and its agencies, the Supreme Court, public schools, and the media. At some point down the road, REAL persecution is going to commence. Are you Christians out there ready to give it all up for Christ? It's a question we all need to ask ourselves.
73 posted on
06/04/2002 11:15:25 AM PDT by
exmarine
To: LarryLied
"The statistics he cites are largely meaningless but the effect is to make the Shoah [Holocaust] just one detail in a century of massacres. It is part of an effort by some in the Catholic church to stop the Shoah being the most important event in the 20th century." What the hell is this, dueling victimhoods? I find this more than a little disturbing.
76 posted on
06/04/2002 11:22:52 AM PDT by
CaptRon
To: LarryLied
"The statistics he cites are largely meaningless but the effect is to make the Shoah [Holocaust] just one detail in a century of massacres. It is part of an effort by some in the Catholic church to stop the Shoah being the most important event in the 20th century." I knew that someone would say this the second I saw the headline.
To: LarryLied
Jews are always bringing the Nazi Holocaust, we (Christians and Moslems) all do respect that, and we also show sympathy with them over that terrible part of world's history. Similarly, Jews and Christians showed sympathy to Moslems during the Serbian conflicts. Now, It is so surprising that the majority of this world, the Christians, have to feel timid to count the hostilities that took place and still taking place against them, especially under Moslem regimes.
A Jewish guy (Sharon) went to a mosque, Moslems went on rampage worldwide bombing and burning tires. Moslem hoodlums spray graffiti on Jewish synagogues, the Jewish editorials blasts an entire western country as anti-Semitic! Moslem militants URINATE in the church of the nativity, how many Christians around the world burned tires in the streets? Either the Christians are castrated, or don't care?
Jews and Moslems must show respect and sympathy to the suffering of Christians, if they expect similar understanding from them. This compassion thing have to be a two way street.
To: LarryLied
The New Persecuted, Inquiries into Anti-Christian Intolerance in the New Century of Martyrs, has angered some scholars by depicting Christians as beleaguered victims of rampaging Muslims. The Christians in Sudan and Indonesia could certainly vouch for the "rampaging Muslims" in their own countries!
The truth hurts the islamic apologists!
79 posted on
06/04/2002 11:55:51 AM PDT by
texson66
To: LarryLied
Mr Socci supports Israel and does not dispute the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust but by framing the genocide in such a context he had minimised its significance, said Alberto Melloni, an author and religious historian. "The statistics he cites are largely meaningless but the effect is to make the Shoah [Holocaust] just one detail in a century of massacres. It is part of an effort by some in the Catholic church to stop the Shoah being the most important event in the 20th century."
I have no idea who Alberto Melloni may be, but he is playing a subtle game that serves only a Leftist Agenda. He seems bent upon creating deep antagonisms among people searching for answers; while interfering with rational Conservatives recognizing the pattern that is very evident to anyone who will look. While in this quote, he doubtless wishes to appear to be a friend of Europe's Jewish minority, it would be difficult to imagine anything more likely to isolate them in a manner reminiscent of the Nazis.
To put this subject in perspective, for those who want to understand why Socialists engage in systematic mass killings, see The Cult Of "The Holocaust"--Golden Calf Of The Twentieth Century. Without such understanding, the killings of successful people will continue to recur. For Melloni to suggest that Socci's statistics are meaningless tells us a great deal indeed about Melloni.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
89 posted on
06/04/2002 2:23:53 PM PDT by
Ohioan
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BUMP for this thread.
102 posted on
06/04/2002 4:22:32 PM PDT by
Siobhan
To: LarryLied
"The statistics he cites are largely meaningless but the effect is to make the Shoah [Holocaust] just one detail in a century of massacres. It is part of an effort by some in the Catholic church to stop the Shoah being the most important event in the 20th century." I sometimes wonder if people don't take pride in the fact that something terrible happened to them.
If the statistics of one are meaningless, then what of the statistics of the other? Hmm?
The number of deaths centuries ago may not be especially relevant today, but as the deaths become more recent, they become more significant. They should not be downplayed anymore than the numbers of Jews killed should be downplayed.
IMO, WWII was probably the most significant event in the past century, not the Holocaust, though that was a terrible thing as well.
Tuor
136 posted on
06/05/2002 9:44:31 AM PDT by
Tuor
To: LarryLied
[some flack writes]: "The statistics he cites are largely meaningless but the effect is to make the Shoah [Holocaust] just one detail in a century of massacres. It is part of an effort by some in the Catholic church to stop the Shoah being the most important event in the 20th century."
Here we have the crux of the matter, protecting the inanely tedious sacred cow of the Jewish Holocaust.
Hate to tell 'em this but it wasn't the most important event in the 20th century. It wasn't even close. I still think the "six million" was somewhat inflated. Maybe four to five million is closer.
The Holocaust is just irrelevant to most people now, especially Gentile young people, and that's what has the Holocaust industry scared.
To: LarryLied
What killing Christians is a bad thing? (sarcasm)
Christians better wake up soon.
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