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Review: 'Founding Brothers' is a television landmark
Savannah Now ^ | 25 May 2002 | Chuck Mobley

Posted on 05/28/2002 11:05:06 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

Review: 'Founding Brothers' is a television landmark



It's a common refrain today when a politician runs awry: "What would the founding fathers say?"

The implication, of course, is that the founding fathers were above reproach, men who stuck to the straight and narrow, laying down a shining example for us to follow. The History Channel, in a mini-series that ought to be required viewing for all letters-to-the-editor writers, dissipates the fog that now surrounds these men and their reputations.

The sad and unavoidable truth is the founding fathers lied, lusted and lurched from dilemma to dilemma, just like the folks in office today.

The four-hour tell-all focuses on the men most of us associate with the founding of the republic -- Washington, Adams and Jefferson.

The glue that bound these strong personalities together was the American Revolution. Once that was over, they came apart like the buttons on one of Britney Spear's blouses.

Washington, alone of the founders, emerges with very few blemishes on his reputation.

Another founder emerges from the series in a reshaped fashion -- Alexander Hamilton. Heretofore best know for getting killed in a duel with Aaron Burr, Hamilton was actually a major player in Washington's cabinet. He was arguably the most important man in the government after the president. He was also, sadly, constantly plotting against his brethren,

The show goes to considerable length to chronicle the split between Adams and Jefferson. Their arguments - small government vs big government - still resonate today.

One of the salient points, alas, of the series, is the role of newspapers in the verbal war between the followers of Adams (the Federalists) and Jefferson (the Republicans). The newspapers became partisan players, hurling charges and invectives that only served to deepen the divide.

But these two presidents did set one shining example, perhaps their greatest lesson. Near the end of their lives, Adams and Jefferson renewed their correspondence and their once-close relationship.

Like the government they helped found, their friendship weathered terrible storms and still survived.


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To: Judai
Skip over the "dude you're getting a dell" commercials at every break. Those Dell ads actually make your IQ drop.
21 posted on 05/28/2002 11:49:43 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Sam Cree
"how likely and how much resistance would they meet, if the History Channel decided to run a miniseries on the faults of "politically correct" figures, such as MLK, Malcolm X, Fidel Castro, Gloria Steinem, etc."

You have stated a major requirement for making "History" Channel credible.

I believe that having deliberately left out the basic life beliefs of these men an insurmountable deceit has been practised on the whole which makes it uncredible.

Give me history constructed using first person documents of the era such as those David Barton has promulgated and I can believe. In the meantime, since truth is of little matter to those who construct these concepts out of their own dreams and twenty first century conclusions they are not worth mucking up ones'historical perspective.

22 posted on 05/28/2002 11:49:56 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: PJ-Comix
Maybe I will.  Maybe I'm getting them confused with "American Heritage."
23 posted on 05/28/2002 11:50:26 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: ClearCase_guy
I agree with you, although I have not seen the show either. It sounds like one more attempt to trash our founding fathers. And what's up with referring to them as the "founding brothers" instead of the "founding fathers?"
24 posted on 05/28/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: stainlessbanner
Thanks for the thread. I watched the show twice last night. I was impressed that the statist "Hamilton/Washington were gods" view was not emphasized, as I expected from a statist organ like the History Channel.

After watching the show I can now date the end of the 'grand experiment' as that of Feb. 25, 1791, when Washington signed the National Bank bill. After Jefferson's unfortunate horse-trade with Hamilton over the federal assumption of (northern)state debt, for which Jefferson got a new capitol away from New York (a pyrrhic victory)and the ensuing bank bill, the Hamiltonian vision of emulating the British mercantilist model of government was set in motion, and has gotten worse every generation since.

25 posted on 05/28/2002 11:52:36 AM PDT by muleboy
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To: Drammach
The characterizations of our founders make Bill Clinton look like a "noble soul".

Gee, do you think this is intentional? /sarcasm

26 posted on 05/28/2002 11:54:02 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: LiberalConspiracy
That show on the history channel, 'founding brothers', is probably better than 95% of the other tv fare. But you nailed a very good criticism of it in that it doesn't mention god or the influence of christianity. My criticism was that they call it 'founding brothers', when we've always called these men 'founding fathers'. They are presented differently today for marketing reasons. Many people are turned off by the paternalistic implications of 'fathers'. tv can be pretty sad when even the best on tv is nothing but junk.
27 posted on 05/28/2002 11:58:53 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: stainlessbanner
Skip over the "dude you're getting a dell" commercials at every break. Those Dell ads actually make your IQ drop.

Do you know what Benjamin Franklin said after the Declaration of Independence was signed and they were about to ring the Liberty Bell?

"Dude, you're getting a Bell!"

28 posted on 05/28/2002 12:02:54 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: ClearCase_guy
I watched the first episode last night, I thought it was great. The battle in this country has always been between the Federalists and the Republicans, Consititutionally speaking.

What I find interesting is the shift, the Rat of today would have been a Republican a hundred fifty years ago.

29 posted on 05/28/2002 12:02:57 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: MamaLucci
I read Ellis' Founding Brothers with some skepticism because of the "lying" and rationalizing during the Clinton impeachment period (using Jefferson's "affair" as an excuse that "everybody does it..."). But the book was quite good and it confirmed a great deal of what McCoullough (sp?) presents in his John Adams biography (also quite good). Except for dosing through different parts of the first episode, I thought the History Channel treatment was quite good and informative... The Founders weren't saints, but they were achievers and visionaries, mostly with great character and moral fiber/standing. Despite their many foibles, I know they would all be shaking their heads in dismay that our country elected someone like Bill Clinton twice to the Presidency.
30 posted on 05/28/2002 12:06:18 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: stainlessbanner
I'm happy when ordinary Americans learn anything about American history, given the state of the public schools today.

But I do see two agendas here. One is a takeoff on the Clinton gambit - the founders were scoundrels too, so I'm not so bad.

The second is to highlight the political divisions among the founders, to try to destroy the idea that there was any "original intent" to the Constitution, to bolster the arguments of the "living document" crowd that we can interprete the Constitution to mean whatever we want. This is wrong. For example, just because some wanted equal representation for states and others wanted representation proportional by population doesn't mean the founders didn't "intend" the compromise of two Senators for each State and proportional representation in the House. They intended to say what they said.

31 posted on 05/28/2002 12:08:52 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: ThomasJefferson
I sure wish that you had been here to debate the ratification of the Constitution, and to defeat the Federalists. ;o)
32 posted on 05/28/2002 12:09:39 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Drammach
Ellis is an inveterate liar. He also has a pro-democrat agenda.

Lying Joe Ellis

33 posted on 05/28/2002 12:09:57 PM PDT by monkey
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To: stainlessbanner
I saw a few bits and pieces (we got in late). I'll watch tonight in more detail.
34 posted on 05/28/2002 12:10:57 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: colorado tanker
The second is to highlight the political divisions among the founders, to try to destroy the idea that there was any "original intent" to the Constitution, to bolster the arguments of the "living document" crowd that we can interprete the Constitution to mean whatever we want.

Give the man a ceegar .... Excellent analysis.

35 posted on 05/28/2002 12:13:32 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: muleboy
"...the end of the 'grand experiment' as that of Feb. 25, 1791, when Washington signed the National Bank bill..."

Bingo! You and I can to the exact same conclusion. I personally think we would have been better off had Washington followed Jefferson's ideas.

36 posted on 05/28/2002 12:21:21 PM PDT by Budge
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To: stainlessbanner
I found it interesting that the press were jackals even from the beginning . From the Adams Book

"They (John and Abigail)exchanged views on politics, events in France, family finances, reported on the weather and the doings of their scattered family. They wrote on everything from the price of clover seed to the meetings of the American Philosophical Society, where Adams had been asked to be a member. Reflecting on the outcome of the election, Abigail saw it as proof not only of the wisdom of the people, but their faith in the administration. The "newspaper warfare" had only strengthened support for the government, she felt certain.

"There must be, however," Adams responded, "more employment for the press in favor of the government than there has been, or the sour, angry, peevish, fretful, lying paragraphs which assail it on every side will make an impression on many weak and ignorant people."

Almost from the moment the election was decided—and the Riepublican campaign to unseat Adams had failed—the Republican press shifted its attacks almost entirely to the President, striking the sharpest blows Washington had yet known. Now it was he who had the deplorable inclination to monarchy. The "hell hounds" were in full cry, wrote Adams, who wondered how well Washington might bear tlp under the abuse. "His skin is thinner than mine."

37 posted on 05/28/2002 12:28:40 PM PDT by UB355
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To: Attillathehon
By the way, does anyone know why they called them the founding "brothers" instead of the usual founding "fathers?"

Wondered that myself. Only thing I could think of is that there was a previous series by the name of Founding Fathers and this one is new, so they needed to differentiate it from the earlier one. Joseph Ellis was in both.

38 posted on 05/28/2002 12:29:09 PM PDT by twigs
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Since I haven't seen it, I don't now how much they truly emphasized conflict between parties (I suspect that this was highly emphasized -- which I think is a poor thing to emphasize).

I see a further agenda that may be lurking. The US has always had the cliche "Politics stops at the water's edge." I believe that this has been more or less true. Even beyond isues of foreign policy, our leaders have usually (1860's aside) been on the same team, going in roughly the same direction -- but arguing about how to get there.

Now, I think with Gore vs Bush, or Daschle vs Bush, or Hillary vs Bush, or McKinney vs Bush, there may be an effort to say that US politics has always been highly combative and that even as far back as the Founding Fathers there were deep disagreements about the legitamacy of some beliefs.

It is true that disagreements have always been present, but I think there is a message being sent here that "We don't all have to line up behind the President during a time of crisis." I think this message is a poor one.

39 posted on 05/28/2002 12:29:25 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Budge
I personally think we would have been better off had Washington followed Jefferson's ideas.

I agree with respect to the assumption of (northern)state debt and the bank bill, but I think it was wise not to aid France, even though it helped the Hamilton/British-Mercantilist's side.

Overall it seemed that Washington was thin-skinned and ill-suited when it came to power politics. What a shame he didn't set the precedent of ONE term and then out. Think of how much crap we could have avoided without a second term of Lincoln, Grant, the Roosevelts, Wilson, Truman, Nixon, and Clinton? As always, Reagan, the exception that proves the rule.

40 posted on 05/28/2002 12:36:10 PM PDT by muleboy
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