Posted on 05/18/2002 9:44:55 PM PDT by let freedom sing
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:36:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
A 5-year-old Rancho Cordova girl will return to kindergarten at the Capital Christian School after being expelled last week because administrators discovered her mother works as a nude dancer.
Christina Silvas, 24, agreed to stop working at Gold Club Centerfolds off Highway 50 for at least the next three weeks so her daughter can graduate from kindergarten and attend the end-of-the-year pool party she had been looking forward to.
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You can enjoy explaining that rot to Jesus, when you face Him... not me.
You seem to me, to seriously miss the general intent of the gospel altogether, straining at the gnat with its miniscule wings, you now appear to have the camel's rather short tail, now hanging out of your mouth. I wonder, does it taste good?
PS... With that attitude of yours towards the chidren of sinners, I would try and stay away from larger millstones.
ROFL...
The church should neither judge nor reject nor punish, in my view, but should show understanding,
forgiveness, acceptance, love and support.
Just pick out a few verses here and there to come up with their OWN religion. (There's a reason the WHOLE Bible should be considered.)
No. The point is that the church stood its ground on a moral issue, and the mother of this child chose not to follow. The church was not being unkind, or uncompassionate. They are required by God to try to live the way He demands. If they had compromised, they would have done more damage than good. This mother needed to see that some people take what God says seriously, and will not bend beliefs to suit what is expedient or convenient (i.e., mom making a fast buck performing lewd dances for strangers).
I think she's serious about some serious money. Definitely keep her in your prayers, while you keep her in mine. The prayers of the community support her lifestyle, if that's what she chooses to do. The road to He** is paved with good intentions.
I would like to agree with you on this because on the surface it sounds like the right thing to do. But I can't. The parents are still the primary influence on the child and that child is going to bring his/her beliefs and upbringing into the school and influence the other children, whose parents are paying a lot of tuition to remove them from that influence in public schools. I'm dealing with this issue as we speak. My daughter's best friend is not from a Christian home but was allowed into the school while her mom served out her jail sentence and b/c she was living with a Godly aunt and uncle. This girl deceives everyone at school and is just the kind of person I spend a LOT of tuition for my child to avoid.
I agree with you that the ministry of the church is to reach out to sinners--all of us--regardless of the sin. This mom should be cared for and ministered to by the church, but her lifestyle should not enter the school via her child. God gives us the responsibility to bring up our children the way they should go and I do not believe that means co-mingling them with worldly children until they have acquired the maturity and wisdom to address those issues.
what was the rest of it? "for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven."
If you want to call the school "me",-- that's a stretch. No one told the woman don't bring your kid to church, and don't come, yourself. No one cut this child off from Jesus-- He dwells in the hearts of the righteous. Children are innocent, but we have civil laws that protect families-- and whatever happens to the child, the mom made the choice for her-- not the church and the congregation.
I have to admit it's not my view-- have you actually seen one like that? It must have a terrible time maintaining order among its members and making decisions. It must be loosely structured-- is there any attendance requirement? I heard someone refer to the "Church of the Great Outdoors"-- that's about the only one I can think of, except ones' perspective could defy the logic of neither judge nor reject nor punish, etc.
Hmmmm..... lets see, stupid thread.... question posted......no such thing as a stupid question.... uh, I don't know,....post question..... why does it have so many posts?
No, it's mostly there for the parents, as a means of helping them raise their children in particular way.
But the reason I'm really responding is this.
Here you've got this lovely stripper, dropping her kid off in the morning, picking her up at night. She's gorgeous (she really is), and she makes her living on sex. Such things interest men despite their better judgement.
That's just plain poison -- one can reasonably assume she has a less-than-innocent effect on some of the fathers at the school. It's difficult enough to avoid the temptation to look where you shouldn't when you can't smell her perfume.
It's rotten that the little girl has to pay the price for her mother's occupation; however, this one child isn't the only one affected, nor the only one potentially harmed, by her mother's activities.
It sounds like the church tried its best to alleviate the situation. Unfortunately, the mother was unwilling to negotiate -- the stripping money was too good. The church pretty much had to make the decision they did, based on what would do the least damage.
Apparently not clear enough for Ms. Silvas.
Oh, I see now. You aren't angry at all. That's why you used such lighthearted statements as these the past three days:
This is yet another form of CHILD abuse by phony Christian leaders...Then religious idiots whine about "Why are folks turning away from God?...the folks who are supposed to be acting like Jesus are acting like Beelzebub instead...phony hypocrites in Church leadership...the apologists for the phonies, go on about how this is NO big deal just like they did the sexual molesters in another Big Christian Denomination...Offending "little ones" is but a precursor behavior to a damnation so severe, that being fitted with a millstone, and thrown into the sea, would be a better choice of behaviors for the offenders...
Either you're lying to me, or lying to yourself.
You can enjoy explaining that rot to Jesus, when you face Him... not me.
I am sure you think you will be at his right hand. After all, he thinks so much like you he would want to have you around to help judge.
You seem to me, to seriously miss the general intent of the gospel altogether, straining at the gnat with its miniscule wings, you now appear to have the camel's rather short tail, now hanging out of your mouth. I wonder, does it taste good? PS... With that attitude of yours towards the chidren of sinners, I would try and stay away from larger millstones.
You've already used the gnat, camel, and millstone references in this thread while I have constantly corrected you and put your threadbare allusions in proper context. I notice that you will not -- or cannot -- support any of your protestations of others' hypocrisy with either scripture OR facts. To me, that speaks for itself.
You made up your mind. These folks are great. The little girl deserves to be punished for the sins of her mother. Wouldn't want to corrupt the other little Christ kiddies with the five year old daughter of the wicked samaritans now would they?
The measure of judgement these folks have met out, will be measured to them, some thirty, some sixty and some an hundred fold. It's not my judgement to make. It is a law of the universe.
These people have the right to kick out anyone they chose for whatever reason they select. That I think it runs counter to what Jesus taught, and is ridiculous, is not a legal judgement before God. They will bear their own burden. I would not do that myself, though, were I in that position. That folks think they can do so, do it in the name of Christ, and believe that they will not only get away with it, but delude themselves into believing it is morally "right," is beyond surreal.
You agree with them... what can I say. You choose your way, I will choose mine... but I think these folks and their supporters are nutty.
Leave no child behind, eh?
What tripe!
And, I'd be willing to bet you don't spend much time thinking about what Jesus would do anyway.
You are so full of baloney, the Bible says to not forsake fellowship of the saints, and regulation of the church members behavior is within the powers given to the church. In fact the Bible says to disciple the sinner to restore them to repntance, and if necessary to expel the unrepentant sinner to prevent others in the church from being tempted.
This woman is an openly unrepantant sinner, Christian or not she has made the decision to be harlot at her and her daughters peril. This woman knew full well that her lifestyle was and is at odds with the Church and school. And he decision to remain a stripper will interfere with her daughters upbringing..
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