Liberals Planning for Vatican III

"Crisis Magazine" via Catholicity.com ^ | May 13, 2002 | Deal Hudson

[lizma]

...Anglicans into irrelevance

My husband wanted to try the Episcopalians church when we were 1st married. A mass filled with kids with game boys was too much for me. I could see why these people even bothered. Plus they sing too much!

[sinkspur]

Once again man in trying to make God in his own image.

It is impossible to talk to a fundamentalist about Scripture, because, well, every word in Scripture has to be literally true, or the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

How dare the spiritual leader alter a single word.

This is why the Catholic Church's approach to Scripture is so refreshing. I don't have to rely on YOU to interpret Scripture for me or your brother, who may have an entirely different interpretation than you.

[NYer]

Who were these "Catholics" chosen to represent the opinions of the universal Church? We're never told. Everything was conducted anonymously. But NCR does tease us a bit, saying that the respondents included one cardinal and three bishops (the remainder consisted of nuns, priests, and laity).

How tempting to conjecture! The cardinal? I'd put money on Roger Mahony. And, judging from interviews with religious by our local media, I would submit that the others were from the Albany diocese. This weekend, we saw Bishop Hubbard interviewed by the Fox affiliate. Asked about the possibility of married clergy and female priests, he projected this would happen with the next pope. Only this evening, the local CBS affiliate interviewed the Director of Catholic Schools, a nun. She scoffed at the media for suggesting that homosexuality had anything to do with the church scandal. She said that "statistics" had already disproved this notion, but quoted no sources or numbers. Oh yes, we have one more "claim to fame". The Albany diocese produced Fr. Richard Vosko, aka "the wreckovator" who has cut a swathe of church & cathedral destruction across the fruited plains.

Viva Il Papa!

[lizma]

Ooops. Could = couldn't

[sinkspur]

It claimed that homosexuality was a condition they might be born with and not under their control. The Pope has (rightly) named this a blasphemy against God,

The version I have, approved by John Paul II, says that homosexuality "may be genetic or influenced by environment."

The Pope doesn't know, and neither do you, what are the origins of homosexuality.

The Pope has never said that the homosexual orientation is a "blasphemy against God." Never.

Why do you always seem to take the liberal side of things?

Is expressing what the Pope actually said about homosexuality "liberal"? If making stuff up is conservative, then I'll be liberal.

[B Knotts]

My personal fav was the idiot who suggested that people of all religions should vote to decide matters for Catholics in "Vatican III".

And they want to weigh things in favor of the third world. Well, think this out for a second...the Muslims will simply vote that the Catholic Church deny Jesus' divinity and start kneeling towards Mecca.

The NCR people are not to be taken seriously, IMO, because they don't take the salvation of souls seriously. They seem to be rather naïve secular humanists who like to think of themselves as Catholic for purely cultural reasons.

[redhead]

""Respondents wanted the widest possible participation of all the church in the next council, laity -- single and married -- and women religious and priests present as a group in proportion to the number of bishops present. A cardinal in a developing country wrote that all religions should be invited 'and have the right to vote.'"

I'm not gonna scream...I'm not gonna scream....I'm not...AAAAIIIEEEEEE!!!!

" It means shifting the weight of power away from Rome and church pulpits to the people of God."

In other words, "Goodbye, ROMAN Catholic Church." This is what they have been angling for for the last 40 years. Every time they twist the words of the Doctrine and the Scriptures, every time they ignore the words of the Pope, every time they crack down on the VICTIMS and give the PERPS a free ride on the pocketbooks of the Faithful, every time they put one of "their" men in a high office, they are chipping away at the Roman Catholic Church. It has never been their intention to simply start a NEW church created in their own image, which they would be perfectly free to do. I would even cede to them all the like-thinking "catholics" that infest the Roman Catholic Church at this time. ("Take them! Take them ALL!") It has always been since its beginning in the 50's, a concerted, careful, and deliberate campaign to destroy the Roman Catholic Church.

[tellw]

My husband wanted to try the Episcopalians church when we were 1st married. A mass filled with kids with game boys was too much for me. I could see why these people even bothered. Plus they sing too much!

Actually that's one reason why I can't switch to Roman Catholicism. The music in Catholic churches is so dreadful. Good Episcopalian church choirs still sing the Mass in Latin too.

[TYVets]

To each his/her own faith.

[Thundergod]

I can't help you with your being out of touch, man. I can't reach all the way over to the other side. I'll just stay with Rome.

[katnip]

I will not allow myself to worry about this..

I will not allow myself to worry about this...

I will not allow myself to worry about this...

[sinkspur]

I'll just stay with Rome.

Then you better read what the Pope actually said about homosexual orientation.

[tiki]

As a former Methodist and a present Catholic I have to agree with you there. What pushed me out of the Methodist church was the lack of any firm convictions. Oh yeah, they believe in God and Jesus but after that who knows.

[lizma]

Mass in Latin
REALLY!!! Would love see that! You really caught me off guard. Never would have thought!

[Thundergod]

Been there. Done that. I have been in this fight for a long time, Mr. Apostate. Follow the wacky American wing of the growing scizm for as long as you want. I'm sure it makes you comfy. That's what it is best at. Comfy, comfy chaff. Enjoy it while it lasts, and lie on as you wish, but you will not escape reality in the end.

[ReveBM]

As a member of an Assemblies of God Church, I can tell you that we do not spend our time calling the Pope the "Anti-Christ", any more than we spend our time worrying about the heads of the Greek or Russian Orthodox Churches. Actually, we feel a great deal of sympathetic pain for what faithful Catholics must be going through right now.

Of course, our doctrine states that the true membership of the church is invisible and known only to God, and we expect it includes members of many denominations including many Catholics.