Liberals Planning for Vatican III

"Crisis Magazine" via Catholicity.com ^ | May 13, 2002 | Deal Hudson

[Siobhan]

Deal W. Hudson is publisher and editor of CRISIS Magazine, a Catholic monthly published in Washington, DC. His articles and comments have been published in The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times, National Review, Richmond Times-Dispatch, The Village Voice, Roll Call, National Journal, The Economist, and by the Associated Press. He appears regularly on television shows such as NBC Nightly News, One-on One with John McLaughlin, C-Span's Washington Journal, News Talk, NET's Capitol Watch, The Beltway Boys, The Religion and Ethics Newsweekly on PBS, and radio programs such as "All Things Considered" on National Public Radio. He was associate professor of Philosophy at Fordham University from 1989 to 1995 and was a visiting professor at New York University for five years. He taught for nine years at Mercer University in Atlanta, where he was chair of the philosophy department. He has published many reviews and articles as well as four books: Understanding Maritain: Philosopher and Friend (Mercer, 1988); The Future of Thomism (Notre Dame, 1992); Sigrid Undset On Saints and Sinners (Ignatius, 1994); and Happiness and the Limits of Satisfaction (Rowman & Littlefield, 1996).

[Siobhan]

Deal Hudson on Vatican III

Ping against AmChurch...

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

This is one Roman Catholic who will stay with Rome. I am repulsed by the possibility and the desire of the lefties to turn the Catholic Church into a carbon copy of the methodist and episcopalion churches with no real rules or regulations. (My apologies to any Methodists or Episcopalians on this site, I do not mean offense, only I want the Church to have stringent guidelines) God Bless

[COBOL2Java]

The orthodox dioceses are vibrant and bursting with vocations. Just take a trip to Denver or Northern Virginia if you doubt it.

Arlington Diocese Bump!

[yendu bwam]

We must search for a coherent and persuasive moral stance on sexual morality: marriage and its support systems, family planning, reconciliation after divorce, homosexual activity, natural law

Try the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You'll find what you're looking for there.

[yendu bwam]

only I want the Church to have stringent guidelines)

I want the church to have God's guidelines. And they are stringent, as they were meant to be!

[stands2reason]

But the truth is something quite different. The mainline liberal Protestant churches are fading away... some predict that the Methodist and Episcopal churches may not even exist a century from now. Which Protestant denominations are growing? The conservative, orthodox, evangelical churches.

The answer to the question "Why?" is simple. Moral relativists don't need church. All they want is for church to leave them alone. Sure, they want the church to accept them. But that doesn't mean that they're going to go. I mean, c'mon, God certainly understands if they don't want to drag themselves out of bed every Sunday morning. God is not about torturing people! (/sarcasm)

[Siobhan]

AMEN! I agree with you. If they want to be Episcopalians or Methodists, why don't they just GO! As for me and my house, we choose His Holiness John Paul II.

[Cicero]

Never happen. Cardinal Martini, whom they hoped to elect as the next pope, is retiring. As for the National Catholic Reporter, its readers are aging along with the Baby Boomer generation. With luck, they will all soon go to their reward in the next world and NCR will no longer have any subscribers. I would class this article as comedy rather than as a serious warning of things to come.

[yendu bwam]

The answer to the question "Why?" is simple. Moral relativists don't need church. All they want is for church to leave them alone.

Actually, what the moral relativists want desperately is to have any act they commit affirmed by a church. You can be an atheist living in a sexual relationship with three other people of both sexes, do drugs, have a child by sperm donation (if you're a woman), and believe in astrology and the Unitarian Chruch stands ready to affirm you and welcome you into its arms. But at the end of the day, that is still not satisfying to most moral relativists, because few respect the Unitarian Church (and others like it). These people look to the truly faithful in Christian churches and they realize they are missing something powerful and good in their lives. We should pray that the intellectual pride and sinful proclivities of many moral relativists does not hinder them from seeking a greater truth. We should be ready to help them see Christ's light.

[sinkspur]

Which Protestant denominations are growing? The conservative, orthodox, evangelical churches.

The majority of whom teach that the Roman Catholic Church is an abomination, and the Pope is the Anti-Christ.

What in the world is "orthodox" about a fundamentalist view of Scripture?

[Thundergod]

That's why I stick with the Baltimore Catechism. It's Catholic. The Pope has ordered the American Bishops to reform their sick and twisted (sometimes blasphemous) catechism, but they refuse. What a situation. The hardest thing in America is to find a Catholic church that is actually Catholic.

[yendu bwam]

The hardest thing in America is to find a Catholic church that is actually Catholic.

You bet it is. When I here something 'un-Catholic' in church, I privately challenge the priest who said it. They are not used to defending their non-Catholic ideologies.

[B Knotts]

Are there any moral absolutes that can be held to? Or must all be abandoned, lest we be thought fundamentalist by the New York Times?

[sinkspur]

The Pope has ordered the American Bishops to reform their sick and twisted (sometimes blasphemous) catechism, but they refuse.

New version's been out since 2000.

THere was nothing "sick and twisted" about the original Catholic Catechism; some of the phraseology could be misinterpreted.

I'd like to read the "blasphemies," if you have them.

[sinkspur]

Are there any moral absolutes that can be held to? Or must all be abandoned, lest we be thought fundamentalist by the New York Times?

Plenty.

I'm talkng about a fundamentalist interpretation of SCRIPTURE.

The moral absolutes are what we need to focus on, not whether Methusaleh actually lived 900 years.

[Thundergod]

It claimed that homosexuality was a condition they might be born with and not under their control. The Pope has (rightly) named this a blasphemy against God, Who temps no man. He has ordered many things to be changed here in America, but they refuse. So much for their vows of obedience.

BTW: Why do you always seem to take the liberal side of things? Hmm? Are you excited about the freedoms promised by this Vatican III? Well it is not going to happen. Your part of the Church may come out of the closet and break away, but the rest of us will stay with the one true Church of Rome.

[B Knotts]

The moral absolutes are what we need to focus on, not whether Methusaleh actually lived 900 years.

I agree, and I think that sort of thing is pretty much a settled issue in the Church.

However, I don't want to see the Church follow the Anglicans into irrelevance.

[Dutch Boy]

Once again man in trying to make God in his own image. Talk about arrogance. It amazes me when the members of a church attempt to change the word of God to suit their own thoughts and ideas. How dare the spiritual leader alter a single word. This must be what the writers of the bible cautioned about at the end of both the old and new testaments.