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Atkins Had a heart attack
local radio ^ | April 25, 2001 | Magnus Mat

Posted on 04/25/2002 5:50:29 AM PDT by MagnusMat

Just heard that Atkins had aheart attack this morning


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KEYWORDS: atkins; diet
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To: AppyPappy
Don't tell me. I have the Gout. Rich foods and alcohol are painful.

Start using systemic enzymes, and kiss your gout goodbye. if you can find it, use Wobenzyme N from Naturally vitamins, a compound used in Germany for decades. you will need to take 5-7 three times a day on empty stomach. when sit. resoves, maintain with 2-4 three times a day. i sell tons of it, tons of repeat purchases, tons of clinical evidence, govt. tried to ban it, but it is only enzymes from food sources like pineapples, cows, papaya. you must use systemic enzymes, enteric coated, digestive will not really work, unless you take handfuls.

81 posted on 04/25/2002 7:04:51 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: AppyPappy
"If you want to lose weight, watch what fat people eat and avoid those foods..."

Not a bad observation. Also, watch what they do when they're not eating... regular exercise - beyond fork-lifting, would be benificial

82 posted on 04/25/2002 7:05:20 AM PDT by ez2muz
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To: elwoodp
Hey I never claimed to be an expert but I have used it & I have studied it because I didn't want to take anything that would hurt me. In Layman's terms, I know just enough to get me in trouble.
83 posted on 04/25/2002 7:05:56 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: MagnusMat
While i dont advocate his diet, he is on to something and he has support by many doctors

You are correct, he IS on to something, but to be fair, alot of nutritional types are on to something, and that is, that high amounts of refined carbohydrates are probably bad for you. The problem with Atkins is that he dogmatically sticks with is idea that carbs are evil (well, ok, thats not true, but alot of those who go on his diet totally eschew carbs altogether), and that saturated fats aren't bad for you in the absence of carbs. Thats probably not true.

What people should take from his diet is the idea of reducing processed carbs from ones diet. I wouldn't go as far as the Atkins people do (although I must say that I have tried variations of the diet, and it has worked very well for me).

Also, for some people (apparently, different people process their foods differently.. gee, what a concept), its a great diet (Synrome X types). Those who say that its a bad and dangerous diet should probably refrain from making blanket statements about such things.

84 posted on 04/25/2002 7:06:08 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: HELLRAISER II
I meant that "expert" comment as a compliment; I wasn't being a smart aleck. I apoligize if it came across wrong.
85 posted on 04/25/2002 7:07:43 AM PDT by elwoodp
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To: galt-jw
Trying to get back to under 12% now...I had dual calf strains, and tendonitis in the right elbow, that took forever to heal....and the Budweiser affects me terribly, if I don't work out slavishly......

further, Yes your dietary habits will accomplish the same thing, But, how many people do you actually know, that can be that sophisticated about their caloric intake....It was an overgeneralized statement....People that actually have an understanding of proper diet, and training, and the symbiosis between the two, are pretty few and far between....

86 posted on 04/25/2002 7:07:53 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: HELLRAISER II
as for the wrestlers, these pinheads died bc they were on an exercise bike in the sauna IN HOT SUITS, and not drinking water. they died from an excessive internal body temperature and dehydration. but since the nwo wants control of all natural remedies (see codex in eu, where you cant take vit c in amounts over 200mg without a dr prescritption), anything anyone takes that is natural is blamed (kava, st johns, creatine, ephedra), but get all the liver toxic tylenol and prozac you want.
87 posted on 04/25/2002 7:08:22 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: mewzilla
When I was on the Atkins diet, I lost 30 lbs in one month. My cholesterol level went from 256 to 194. My triglycerides dropped from 140 to 72. It worked for me.
88 posted on 04/25/2002 7:08:38 AM PDT by midwestjenny
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To: SamAdams76
I have used a modified form of the Adkins diet as my normal everyday diet for years now and for me it works. I went from being overweight to weighing right at 127lbs (at 5'4" tall) and have maintained the weight within 3lbs for the last two years. But I do not eat all the fat he would allow in his diet.

Basically my meals consist of protein as the main source of food (usually chicken, turkey, fish, shellfish or red meat) and veggies. I rarely eat bacon or other high fat content foods. I use only olive oil in cooking and limit the amount of carbs I take it. I have a serving of fruit twice a day since natural sugars do not effect me and the benefits of eating fruits outweigh any natural sugar problems there might be. My blood pressure is normal, as is my cholestrol and blood sugar. It does work, though I'd find Adkins diet plan to be completely impossible to follow long term.

Since I work at a desk and also attend school full time, I have very little time to exercise during the week so I have to have a diet that will not pack on the pounds, I exercise 1 day during the week and every weekend go swimming. As I said, it works for me.

I am concerned about people who go on Adkins, eat as many fatty foods that are allowed (bacon, fried pork skins etc) and think they will be healthy long term. Fact is, you do have to limit fat and cholestrol in your diet and using low-fat proteins is the way to do it.

89 posted on 04/25/2002 7:08:46 AM PDT by Brytani
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To: elwoodp
Hey don't sweat it, I didn't take it wrong. I just didn't want to come across as a know it all
90 posted on 04/25/2002 7:09:56 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: HELLRAISER II
galt is correct about the creatine....just like politics, with any atheltic supplements that helps make one more manly, treat ANY MEDIA REPORT with extreme jaundice.

Let me ask you this...Are there any contraindications for short term Steroid Use?

91 posted on 04/25/2002 7:10:23 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
go to www.lef.org and check out cla. it is amazing. also , consider using flax oil liquid along with protein shakes. efa deficiencies are related to the bodys reluctance to shed unneeded fat. also, go to mikementzer.com, and order and read heavy duty II. i have gotten the most muscular i have in seventeen years, working out once every five days or so, doing legs, chest and back about every two weeks. and the weights and reps just keep going up.
92 posted on 04/25/2002 7:11:32 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: HELLRAISER II
I also had a hard time keeping my strength up during the diets use when I worked out,

I find that curious. Everytime I've used, (excepting the three day adjustment period...) I Noticed pretty good stregnth gains....

93 posted on 04/25/2002 7:11:35 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: galt-jw
I have some at home...am trying it now....Heard about CLA a year or so ago at www.t-mag.com and kept my eye out....
94 posted on 04/25/2002 7:12:31 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: ironman
"Also, get a moderately active dog, if you don't have one."

I have the world's first heat seaking guided missle -a Whippet! (Actually, they say that owners will eventually look like their dogs, so I bought a whippet as I needed to lose some weight!)

Trouble is he's a sprinter -all out for 10 tosses of the aroebe disc and then he's spent.

When I started my jogging experience 10 years ago, I weighed less than I do today. I couldn't jog a continuous mile (I was even on my college track team -read 'field events'). I went from 11/12 minute miles down to 3 miles at just over 6 minutes per mile. I really really enjoyed that.

As I said I weigh more now, but am very comfortable -no aches and pains (I'm relatively young yet), I attempted to beginn jogging last year (didn't want to stick withit) and I was able to complete a continuous mile in around 10 1/2 minutes -far better when than when I was in 'shape' just after college.

Jean

95 posted on 04/25/2002 7:12:48 AM PDT by Jean Chauvin
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To: Paradox
I agree. The fact that in his program you have to take fiber supplements means theoretically something is wrong.
96 posted on 04/25/2002 7:14:00 AM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: mewzilla
Ditto - compassion here seems to be lacking.
97 posted on 04/25/2002 7:14:06 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: galt-jw
As to the Flax oil...I usually use Salmon Oil instead...I work out 5 times a week....Currently I am following a 5Rep, 2-3 set protocal ala Pavel Tsatsoulines Power to the People...Also touched on In Hatfields POWER....Thats the PM.

In the AM I've been running 6-10 miles....

98 posted on 04/25/2002 7:14:44 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: midwestjenny
When I was on the Atkins diet, I lost 30 lbs in one month. My cholesterol level went from 256 to 194. My triglycerides dropped from 140 to 72. It worked for me.

but did you ever get truly lean, where you can see your linea alba (ab line), and where are you years later. the diet is for short times: the phyonutrients in veggies etc are being found to be more and more important. atkins is reverse vegetarianism...too extreme either way is not optimal.

99 posted on 04/25/2002 7:15:10 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: SamAdams76
I still think the obesity problem is tied to lack of exercise. For the entire history of human civilization - up until modern times - the average human did manual labor all day long. Even those with sedentary jobs had to walk everywhere and do lots of labor-intensive chores at home.

Thats certainly part of it. I once read an estimate that while we were evolving (or when God created us, however), the average person had to forage some 4 miles just to get enough food energy to maintain life. So we did alot more moving around.

The other part(s) of the equation is the calories we eat and absorb. The food we used to eat was very, very high in fiber and "roughage". Maybe up to 100 grams of fiber per day (10 servings of Metamucil!). Today, we have "refined" foods (flours, sugars) and some vegetables which have been bred, to contain alot more absorbable calories than they used to (Rice, for example, wasn't much more than a grass, until we got to it. Potatoes, if uncooked (something early man couldn't do) is inedible). Anyways, that, plus the fact that amount of food we eat has increased (we eat some 30% more per sitting than we did 50 years ago), PLUS we exercise alot let, means we, as a culture, are turning into fat tubs of goo! {/Letterman}

100 posted on 04/25/2002 7:15:19 AM PDT by Paradox
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