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***Freeper Was Push Polled-Get over CFR-We are at war
Email sent to congressman Simmons | March 23, 2002 | VRWC_minion

Posted on 03/23/2002 4:34:33 AM PST by VRWC_minion

Mr Simmons,

This is to advise you about a push poll that was directed to me last night about 9pm in East Hampton. After establishing I was a likely voter, the oldest male and was a republican I was asked who I would vote for. After telling them the republican candidate most likely (because I don't know you because of redistricting) I was asked a series of questions which included (not exact wording) :

1. Simmons voted for 450 million in retro active tax benefits for Enron.

2. Simmons voted against school building.

3. Simmons voted against allowing us to sure HMO's and taking away benefits from elderly.

He then asked me would I still vote for Simmons. I told him his questions were based on flawed premises and that this was a push poll. I was surprised that he didn't tell me Simmons was an ax murderer but yes I will still vote for the ax murderer.

The contact person I was given for this poll is Amy Collier, 215-641-2200 ext 2247. I left her a message telling her the polling company was lower scum than Clinton.

I am angry about this call and am willing to offer whatever assistance I can to you in the upcoming election in East Hampton, please let me know what I can do to help.

Ray


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; pushpoll
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To: lonestar
Is a republican liberal any better than a democrat liberal?. I always thought a liberal was a liberal.
201 posted on 03/23/2002 9:06:07 AM PST by gunshy
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To: VA Advogado;ALL
let's keep it civil. no personal attacks, please.
202 posted on 03/23/2002 9:15:24 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: VRWC_minion
I called the Courtney campaign and memorialized my discussion with them in the following e-mail

Mr. Simmons,

For what its worth I told the Courtnery campaign I was disappointed in the push polls. The manager said she knew nothing about them, they did not order them and implied she would try and stop them if they knew who they were from.

She then advised me you were the beneficiary of push polls and other dirty tricks in the last election because a poll that insinuated that Sam Gedjensen was having an affair. According to her you did not take sufficient steps to stop that and consequently she apparently doesn't see it wrong to be the beneficary of the negative polling as long as they haven't a direct connection to them. Apparently what was good for you then by the NRC is good for her now by the DNC.

Ray

203 posted on 03/23/2002 9:19:39 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
but yes I will still vote for the ax murderer.

LOL!

204 posted on 03/23/2002 9:20:09 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: ModernDayCato
what have you accomplished by swallowing hard and voting against your beliefs?

I once thought that the best route for CFR was an outright Veto but since a few days ago I am not certain that a veto is the best route. As for Simmons, he won by such a small margin and CFR is very important to CT residences he would get creamed in the elections if he went against his constituency. I could get into a lengthy discussion about why but I am sure you wouldn't listen because your mind is made up. But as for November I will have two candidates to choose from, Simmons and some Rat. Which do I choose ?

205 posted on 03/23/2002 9:21:38 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: usconservative
Peter Fitzgerald is no more conservative in my mind, than Hillary Clinton.

Just 3 days ago you were defending him as some sort of second coming of Ronald Reagan. Nice to see your medicine is working.

206 posted on 03/23/2002 9:31:19 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: ModernDayCato
"The goal of our politicians is to make us irrelevant. They don't give a rat's @ss about the people who work every day, provide the jobs that provide the wages that provide the confiscatory taxes that they piss away.

I am disappointed that little pinheads like AV come onto this board with an arrogant attitude and a chip on their shoulder, not offering anything but hot air to the debate."

And by these words, you expect us to believe that YOU don't have a chip on YOUR shoulder??

207 posted on 03/23/2002 9:35:51 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Of course I have a chip on my shoulder. It's called the U.S. Constitution. As for the 'pinhead' comment, I just said it for fun. I've enjoyed tweaking my liberal friends here on this forum. It has kept me from doing my taxes.
208 posted on 03/23/2002 9:39:59 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: VRWC_minion
CFR is very important to CT residences he would get creamed in the elections if he went against his constituency.

This is a fallacy. No one cares about CFR. I'll ask again...if under pressure Simmons and some RAT will both vote against what you believe in, what difference does it make who you vote for?

Seriously...I WANT to vote for Simmons, just as I WANT to vote for Bush. I just don't think I can.

209 posted on 03/23/2002 9:42:18 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
I'll ask again...if under pressure Simmons and some RAT will both vote against what you believe in, what difference does it make who you vote for?

I happen to respect him for voting what his constituents want, even if I disagree with him. He is a rep after all. I also happen to think the only part of CFR that I disagree with and is unconsitutional is the ad black out and I further believe this will keep coming back until its settled by the SC which I would rather take my chances with now rather than later when their could be more liberals on it.

What you have a problem with is you don't like our representative system. You want a system whereby the elected official vote's according to one platform regardless of whether those who elected him want that platform. In the current system any rep would not last long and in the system you desire I believe its called facism.

You have the progression of things backwards. You must change the hearts and minds of the people first who in turn will elect people who they feel most closely align with their own beliefs.

210 posted on 03/23/2002 9:52:48 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Sorry...no dice. Just because his constituents 'want' it doesn't mean he should vote for something that violates our Constitution, no matter how much you try to defend it by saying that it's only a little unconstitutional.

He swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. He violated that oath. Period. End of story.

I am truly sorry that you think you have the right to decide how much money I can spend supporting a candidate. To me that's not America. But that's another issue.

And it's funny you should mention fascism, because my mother-in-law sees a similarity between the current bloodlust against capitalism, freedom and liberty and pre-Hitler Germany. I got a Freepmail from someone who made a similar observation.

Free speech and free association are arguably the last bastions against Fascism.

But I respect your opinion.

212 posted on 03/23/2002 10:01:56 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
I have read your letter to Shays et al and I hope you don't think that I'm being critcal in saying that insulting people only makes you more irrelevant. The key is understanding how to win friends and influence people.

By the way, if your letter to Shays doesn't get the results you were looking for, you might try spitting in his face.

213 posted on 03/23/2002 10:04:42 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
I would if I wasn't worried that there's a federal law against it.

I'm not interested in being friends with people who seek to destroy my liberty. Besides, I thought I was free to say whatever I wanted, aren't I?

P.S. = Who cares what you think? The great thing about America is that you can write your own letter to a politician, just as long as you don't do it within a group and send it out as a mailing 60 days before an election.

214 posted on 03/23/2002 10:07:29 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
He swore an oath to uphold the Constitution

Don't forget the constitution is what 2/3 of the people say it is.

215 posted on 03/23/2002 10:11:42 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Okay...then Simmons should get his constituents together and find like minded people who can work together to amend the constitution. I don't see a gray area here:

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or ... to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Or here:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic

217 posted on 03/23/2002 10:15:51 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: VRWC_minion
I'm going to leave the board before I get the urge to hang myself.

It seems to me that everyone here has his point of no compromise, and everyone here has his price.

For you VRWC_minion, CFR is something on which you will compromise, and/or your price is having an R next to your rep's name as opposed to a D.

For me, CFR represents the Constitution, more specifically the right of free speech and assembly, which is my point of no compromise. Furthermore, I have been arguing that cowardly Rs are no better than plain old RATS.

We just disagree. Best wishes.

219 posted on 03/23/2002 10:20:27 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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