Posted on 08/02/2025 3:51:59 PM PDT by george76
Utah is planning on taking water away from farmers and ranchers right now”..
They are currently writing new legislation that is going to put new regulations on farmers and ranchers water use — We need your help. We need to save the farmers and ranchers”
“The verbiage in the bill is that they are going to require them to use less water, water that has been already granted to them from generations past, or they're going to require them to use more water saving technologies. But who is going to pay for that? It sure as hell isn't going to be the legislators, it's not going to be the senators, it's not going to be the governor. It's going to be the taxpayers and the farmers and ranchers who are going to have to equip for this.
So right now we need your help. We need you to call all of the state senators, we need to call all the city offices, we need to send as many emails as we possibly can. Leave the farmers out of this bill. There should be no reason that they're included in this whatsoever —- So if you guys can please make the calls, please send the emails. We need your help.”
‘The Utah farmers and ranchers truly need your help. We barely have enough water as it is to raise our crops to feed and grow our animals. If there is any more regulation, we will lose more and more and more of our family farms and ranches. They will not be able to survive this. This is just a stepping stone and if it happens in one place, it will continue to happen all across the nation please if you can share with your family and friends please leave your comments below. We need your help.”
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America needs her non-corporate farmers.
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Farmers and ranchers work hard to preserve the land. It is in their best interest to have a balanced ecosystem. Politicians in suits have no idea what is best or how to manage the land.
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just like California did
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All being done on purpose.. agenda 2030
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First they came for the fuel, now it’s the water.
Utah is trying to choke out the very people who grow our food while pretending it’s sustainability.
No farmer, no food.
We either fight this now, or watch family farms disappear across the country.
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Utah has placed Data Centers as a priority over farmers & ranchers. To government, spying on Americans is more important than feeding them
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They're stripping generational water rights from farmers while dumping billions into green scams and foreign handouts.
We either fight now, or we lose it all.
DATA CENTERS CAN USE 450,000 GALLONS A DAY===
USE-—NOT RECYCLE OR RECOVER——USE UP -—then cool the servers.
RESIDENCES ARE NOT USING THAT AMOUNT OF WATER.
I LIVE IN RURAL N NEVADA.
WE ARE ALLOWED 2.2 ACRE FEET OF WATER PER PARCEL. MOST PARCELS ARE AROUND 5 ACRES AROUND ME.
1 ACRE FOOT==325,851 gallons. 2.2 ACRE FEET = 716,872.2
716,872.2 divided by 354 days === 1964.03 gallons per day.
450,000 GALLONS DIVIDED BY 1964.03===229.121 parcels of daily usage.
THAT IS WAY OUT OF BALANCE.
NOT ACCORDING TO ANY INFO I CAN FIND.
IT IS RELEASED AS STEAM INTO THE AIR-—NO RECOVERY
IT IS AN ISSUE IN MY RURAL VALLEY
It’s the world enslavement forum.
Tech Takes The Water...
Data Centers That Take Our Water Are They Capitalist Or Communist?
“”””The epicenter of stupidity is New York city where I grew up and escaped from 10 years ago. Every week I see a new video of NYC Jews supporting Mamdani, the TERRORIST they want as Mayor.”””””
Stupid already hit here. On the western border of the City of Minneapolistan is St Louis Park. It was always called St JEWISH Park because of the high population of them that live there. A few years ago they elected a young Somali muslim mayor.
All part of the WEF’s food production reduction ploy?
It’s crazy isn’t it, I really don’t know why they do this and to be honest after seeing this over and over for the past few months, I really wonder if Jews supported Hitler in the 1930s
Some times those “Jews” supporting Muslim causes are Muslims hiding behind the Jew name. Muslims recently set up a fake Jewish charity and collected donations from people who thought they were supporting Jews.
They want you to starve
“Farming uses 70%+ of the water in Utah. Farming is 2% of Utah’s GDP. This is stupid.”
Somebody actually gets it. You have to do a cost benefit analysis.
Don’t farm crops in a desert that need FEET of water per sq foot per season. Alfalfa needs FIVE FEET of water per square foot per season this is ludicrous it’s even allowed.
Drip irrigation should be the mandate and never alfalfa,cotton or any other water hungry none desert crop. If not drip irrigation then low level central pivot using low pressure sprayers never ever flood irrigation. No rice,no almonds none of those crops that should be grown in the Eastern USA where you have 40+ inches of rain per year not 10 or under.
Cows can and do eat paddle cactus if you burn the spines off or plant the spineless varieties. Drip irrigation to cactus is the most efficient way to feed cattle in the arid and semi arid lands I wrote a white paper on it for UTD hydro geo. Second most efficient is Agave specifically Agave Weber which must be ground up and fermented into silage first for 30 days before you feed cattle ,sheep or goats with it. Once insilage it is so sweet you can’t stop them from eating it you actually have to limit access or they will over eat. We did trials in Mexico with cattle and goats on a 5 year rotation you get well over 100 tonnes of mass per year per hectare. Each mother plant puts out up to 30 pups too each one ready to be planted and expanded on other lands.
Those two plants should replace alfalfa in any semi arid lands for cattle feed ops they out yield it 10 to 100 to 1 on equal water amounts. Big agri doesn’t care about water use when you subsidise their water and make it cheap for them. Cactus and agave take labor not water and that hurts big agri profits which is their only goal feeding people is secondary to profits.
“And where did all that water go?”
Evaporative cooling is the norm in low humidity areas for not only datacenters but also most commercial HVAC chillers. Water is 8000+ BTU per gallon just in vaporization energy add in the temp change from ground water temp of 55F and it’s easily 9000 BTU per gallon. A ton of HVAC is by definition 12,000BTU per hour.
So yes it is evaporated into the air not returned to a river or sewer system. It will eventually rain out somewhere having been returned to the overall water cycle it is however lost to the local basin and users.
Closed cycle cooling is possible using dry towers it uses a lot more energy and also is much more expensive so wet towers are the first choice. You don’t have to use potable water , grey water or purple reclaimed water works just as well. San Antonio has the nations largest purple water network, Vegas is second both supply reclaimed water to cooling uses,golf courses,parks and industrial uses.
Aalo is addressing both the cooling and power uses for d datacenters with their nuclear reactors providing electricity on site and the waste heat is used to drive adsorption chillers with dry cooling towers for those and the reactors turbines too. They have their first reactor in prototype wanting on the NRC to let them fuel it. They have their first factory to mass produce them set up too.
On-site nukes, dry cooling and hear driven chillers is obviously the way to go.
That’s because of the Kalifornia flight and the past century in-breeding. Utah has serious issues. I’m glad my daughter and grandkids got out of there.
I imagine fairly soon, you will be able to run the high-end LLMs from your local machine, either by plugging in an external device, as with an external hard-drive, or eventually having the LLM embedded in the hardware as firmware.
The problem today is, anyone who does that will see their electricity bills skyrocket, especially with heavy use. So there has to be a smart system that will minimize the power use based on the task requested.
But once these power issues are solved, then that should reduce the burden on datacenters.
Hey, AI data centers are thirsty.
Nobody wants to eat cactus-fed cows, remember the grain/grass ratio.
Don’t forget a lot of our most productive ag areas in the country-The San Joaquin Valley, the San Bernardino/Riverside area, the LA Basin-were deserts. It took water from the nearby mountains to grow crops. You get year round varieties of fruits and vegetables. The alternative is having nothing but potatoes and root vegetables during the wintertime.
Migrants from California. They’ve taken over AZ, NM, Idaho, CO and Utah.
I asked grok.ai if the data centers were re using water. The answer that came back was that some are re using water more and some were reusing water less. Judging by this answer you would want to limit data centers to just microsoft.
here’s grok’s answer.
Yes, the very latest data centers are increasingly designed to run on reusable or recycled water for cooling, often incorporating closed-loop systems, reclaimed wastewater, or non-potable sources to minimize freshwater consumption. This shift is driven by sustainability goals amid rising AI and cloud demands, with major operators like Google, Microsoft, and AWS leading the adoption. However, not all data centers are fully reliant on reusable water; usage varies by location, technology, and operator, with some still depending partially on potable sources. Many new facilities aim for “water-positive” operations, replenishing more water than they consume.
Percentage of Water Reused
Percentages refer to the share of water from reclaimed, recycled, or non-potable sources (versus potable freshwater). These are typically company-wide averages or site-specific, as global standardization is limited:
Google: In 2024, 22% of total data center water withdrawal (excluding seawater) was reclaimed wastewater or other non-potable sources. Across all data centers, non-potable and reclaimed water accounted for approximately 17.5% of withdrawals (1,730 million gallons out of 9,866 million gallons), though this may underrepresent due to incomplete location breakdowns.
Microsoft: Less than 1% of water used in data centers is currently recycled company-wide, but this is expanding. In specific facilities, reuse can reach 97% through recycling cooling water. New AI data centers use closed-loop liquid cooling, recycling 100% of cooling water with zero evaporation or municipal water needed for that purpose.
AWS (Amazon): Specific percentages aren’t disclosed globally, but in data centers designed for recycled water (24 as of 2023, expanding to 120 by 2030), cooling relies heavily or entirely on recycled sources, avoiding potable water. This will preserve over 530 million gallons of drinking water annually by 2030.
CompanyAverage Reuse/Recycled PercentageNotesGoogle22% (reclaimed/non-potable)Based on 2024 data; site-specific can be higher (e.g., nearly 100% reclaimed in some locations).Microsoft<1% overall; up to 97-100% in specific/new sitesClosed-loop systems in latest AI centers enable full recycling for cooling.AWSNot specified globally; ~100% in recycled-water sites24 sites use recycled water for cooling as of 2023; scaling to 120.
Examples
Google’s Douglas County, Georgia Data Center: Withdrew 444.1 million gallons in 2024, of which 436.7 million gallons (98%) was reclaimed wastewater, demonstrating near-total reliance on recycled sources for cooling.
Microsoft’s Quincy, Washington Data Center: Partners with the local municipality on the Quincy Water Reuse Utility, recycling cooling water to reduce potable water use by 97% and providing 1.5 million cubic meters annually for community drinking needs. New AI data centers globally use direct-to-chip liquid cooling in a closed loop, saving over 125,000 cubic meters per facility annually with 100% water recycling and no evaporative loss.
AWS’s Umatilla, Oregon Data Centers: Up to 96% of cooling water is provided to local farmers for crop irrigation at no charge, enabling reuse after data center operations. AWS is expanding recycled wastewater use across 120 U.S. sites by 2030, including in water-stressed areas, to cool facilities without tapping drinking supplies.
We can live without Data centers, we can get along just fine the way things were before 5G.
I choose Liberty and Freedom, and without being able to feed and clothe ourselves without importation is the only way to remain generationally independent from the worlds entanglements.
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