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Trump’s ‘modern day Salem witch trial’ verdict signals ‘open season’ on former presidents: experts
Fox News ^ | June 17, 2024 | Emma Colton

Posted on 06/17/2024 7:26:33 AM PDT by libstripper

Former President Donald Trump's trial in Manhattan was a "modern day Salem witch trial" that has opened the floodgates to district attorneys across the nation prosecuting former presidents, experts told Fox News Digital.

"No matter how you twist and warp the traditional role of the prosecutor, it's always going to have a bad outcome. It's bad for the legal system. And you now see two DAs — both of whom are Soros, rogue prosecutors — using their office to go after somebody who, if his name had not been Trump, no DA would have even blinked an eye his way. [They are using] the law in a perverted way for purely political reasons," Heritage Foundation legal fellow Charles "Cully" Stimson told Fox News Digital in a phone interview.

"It doesn't even pass the laugh test," he added.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: emmacolton; expresidents; immunity; noneedforquotemarks; trump
My uninformed guess about this is that the Supreme Court has not decided the immunity case yet because at least some of the justices were waiting to see how the Trump case in Manhattan would come out and generally to look around and see what not declaring an appropriate scope of immunity would cause. Now they know and can easily predict that not allowing substantial immunity is going to cause terrific lawfare against every former president, definitely including Biden, Obama, and Clinton, each of whom could be prosecuted for many state-level felonies including homicide.

The solution to this problem is to state that the President, even when he becomes an Ex President, is immune from prosecution for anything done while in office, even if such a thing was as private as strangling his wife, with that immunity being subject to the impeachment clauses of the Constitution. Thus, for the President or ex-president to be prosecuted he would've had to commit treason, bribery, or any other high crime or misdemeanor. Then he would've had to be impeached and convicted of that crime. That's really a pretty broad group of crimes since something as horrible as strangling his wife could easily be viewed as a high crime or misdemeanor. That way the former president would have the protection of the Constitution, regardless of whether an alleged crime was viewed as within the scope of his duties as President or not. As we have seen with the impeachment prosecution of Pres. Trump, Congress can act very quickly and continue an impeachment proceeding after a President has left office. If the President is successfully impeached and convicted by the Senate, then he can be prosecuted for what ever crimes he was impeached and convicted for. Thus he does not have, "absolute immunity." Hence, this really works out to a pretty reasonable situation. If anyone here disagrees with me please post appropriate comments.

1 posted on 06/17/2024 7:26:33 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper
I think all the Supreme Court needs to do is call out the lack of law involved with each case. Trump has no valid misdemeanors and you can't make felonies from that. Questioning the vote count is not a crime. There are no valid signs of Jan 6 coordination and the blame is with Pelosi, by her own words. The judges disallowed exculpatory evidence, etc.
2 posted on 06/17/2024 7:33:11 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: libstripper

Democrats are entitled, violent children.

They will use or destroy anything for the sake of a short-term narrative.


3 posted on 06/17/2024 7:34:32 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: ConservativeMind
I think all the Supreme Court needs to do is call out the lack of law involved with each case. Trump has no valid misdemeanors and you can't make felonies from that. Questioning the vote count is not a crime. There are no valid signs of Jan 6 coordination and the blame is with Pelosi, by her own words. The judges disallowed exculpatory

If you mean that is all they need to point out in support of a ruling in favor of immunity, I agree.
4 posted on 06/17/2024 7:37:47 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: libstripper

It’s time to see Hillary on trial. Then Lock her up.


5 posted on 06/17/2024 7:38:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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To: libstripper

Thought crime of the day: Would Trump spend four months in jail to put Hussein behind bars for four months?


6 posted on 06/17/2024 7:42:36 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute. )
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To: SoConPubbie

It need not be immunity. I want to go after 0bama and Clinton, too.

It just needs to be legal in its basis.


7 posted on 06/17/2024 7:45:11 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Then you will not reign in the excesses and it is still LawFare.


8 posted on 06/17/2024 7:56:49 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: libstripper
prosecuting former presidents ...

Can we get around to Carter?

9 posted on 06/17/2024 7:58:54 AM PDT by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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The System is allowing abuse that is not only against Trump. The Jan 6ers and many others are getting it, too.

The System needs a correction. Exculpatory evidence must be provided, judges must drop senseless lawsuits, etc.

It should not be immunity for killing your wife or fraud.


10 posted on 06/17/2024 8:02:24 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: libstripper
Bragg illegally withheld exculpatory information from the grand jury which indicted Trump. Of course, being Manhattan residents, they might have indicted him anyway.

The justices may realize that only Republican Presidents are in danger from rogue DAs and may worry about being perceived as partisan if they rule in favor of immunity (since a majority of them were nominated by Republican Presidents).

11 posted on 06/17/2024 8:30:36 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: libstripper

Let’s just sue all former presidents.
Something can be found on each of them.
Well, Jimmy Carter is really old by now, he can be exempt!


12 posted on 06/17/2024 8:31:11 AM PDT by AZJeep
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To: libstripper

By comparison to Trump’s trial, the Salem witch trials were models of due process.


13 posted on 06/17/2024 9:16:22 AM PDT by william clark (A man who is unwilling to be proven wrong has little regard for truth.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
The justices may realize that only Republican Presidents are in danger from rogue DAs and may worry about being perceived as partisan if they rule in favor of immunity (since a majority of them were nominated by Republican Presidents).

If this is how they analyze it then they are, in fact, partisans.

14 posted on 06/17/2024 9:34:38 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. F. B. I. is tending in that direction." - Harry S Truman)
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To: libstripper
One thing to probably reiterate is that an impeachment proceeding must be limited to beginning while the president is in office. If we don’t specify that, then there’s the novel theory that if a president can be impeached after tenure in office, then they might take that to mean the proceedings can start anytime after holding office.

Only way to fix that is legislation that anything that happens during the president’s tenure in office, if no impeachment proceeding is begun while they’re in office, those actions are hands-off after they leave office.

If they don’t agree to it, then immediately begin impeachment proceedings for Obama, Biden, Clinton, et al, as soon as Republicans have sufficient numbers in the House to demonstrate the issue.

15 posted on 06/17/2024 10:11:22 AM PDT by cross_bearer_02
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To: AZJeep
If Carter survives until October 1, he will be the first President to celebrate his 100th birthday.

That could be dangerous. Alf Landon, the 1936 Republican candidate for President, died shortly after his 100th birthday.

16 posted on 06/17/2024 10:14:42 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: libstripper

It’s time to prosecute libtard Presidents for their crimes against humanity


17 posted on 06/17/2024 10:45:17 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: libstripper

Clinton should be charged with murder over what he did at waco. There is no SOL on murder or manslaughter in texas. Clinton sent in military tanks to flatten the buildings where he knew the people were and burned 80 of them alive.

Obama should be prosecuted for DACA. Section 1324 title 8 makes it a federal felony to encourage illegals to live here.


18 posted on 06/17/2024 12:12:15 PM PDT by Diversity Is Our Weakness
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To: ConservativeMind
It should not be immunity for killing your wife or fraud.

No it should not.

That being said, that is really not what we are talking about here.

Maybe anything short of a true felony should be the cut-off.
19 posted on 06/17/2024 1:58:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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