Russia Has No Plans to Take Kharkov Under Control Now

Russia has no plans to take control of Kharkov, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with students and teachers of the Harbin Institute of Technology.

Russia is making gains in the fighting in the Kharkov region, he also said, adding that the Russian armed forces are moving every day strictly according to plan. Putin blamed the Ukrainian forces for what was happening in Kharkov region.

"They are shooting directly at the center of the city, at residential areas. And I said publicly that if this continues, we will be forced to create a security zone, a sanitary zone," Putin said.

No, this conflict began when Putin put pressure on Yanukovych to betray his electoral mandate and reverse himself on the EU/Ukraine agreement that he had earlier supported, which had already been approved by the parliament and was supported by 2/3 of the population. He then sought to yoke Ukraine to the Russian lead Eurasian Economic Union.

Accurate in general terms but not in the overall thrust of your post that Putin is simply "empire building". The important part, is the part you've left out; why Putin did this.

It had nothing to do with building a Russian empire. It was because Putin saw this as part of a long-standing Western campaign to weaken Russia economically. He saw the EU-Ukraine free trade deal as a threat to Russia and he acted in Russia's interests as a Russian president does. We can disagree as to whether the EU wanted to weaken Russia economically but Putin certainly thought so. This is and was the reason for the "yoking".

I think he was probably right. Everything we've seen in the past 2 years indicates that bringing Russia to its knees is a major objective of the Western elites. Why? Regime change. We (the US & Europe) want Putin gone. We want a Western-looking, tame, rainbow Russia, as I wrote up-thread and the same for Ukraine. A large cohort of the Ukrainian population undoubtedly wants that too but there's also a cohort that doesn't.

The remainder of the former Soviet republics are Islamic and we don't want to go there, just yet. That's a bit dicey and sharia isn't on the agenda. It could blow up in our faces, especially with the significant (and growing) Muslim cohort in Europe.

Russia sees this as a clash of civilizations, if Western culture can be called "civilization" at this point. Any talk of "empires" should be seen in this context.

true they controlled the Crimea and parts of the Donetsk & Luhansk regions in order to provide them with some form of protection against the Nazi Azov Battalion.

Sorry, but the Russian speaking Ukrainians were attacked before Russia supplied these people with weapons to defend themselves with.

You have your timeline off. Yanukovych was removed on February 22, 2014. The Russian militias were formed and declared independence in March and seized government buildings in April. This is much too early to claim that they were only protecting Russians from Ukrainian attacks. And where did these militias get the weapons to fight off the Ukrainian army? By August Ukraine had regained control of most of the area. The conflict could have ended at that point but Russia then intervened directly.

It would be for another 8 years that they seized the entire Donbass, Luhansk regions, along with parts of Zaporizhzhia, & Kherson regions.

Putting aside Crimea and Donbas, by what logic does Russia have any claim on Zaporizhzhia an Kherson which have overwhelming Ukrainian majorities?

The firs being that both languages are known by all Ukrainian citizens, so there really is no burden upon them whatsoever.

Then why is the use of Ukrainian in state institutions a burden on Russian speakers?

However, it was an illegal act to speak or teach the Russian language in public facilities of Government. So if you mistakenly spoke in Russian, you could be charged with a criminal act.

It does no such thing. I do not know where you get your information but have you ever actually read the law?

Стаття 2. Сфера дії Закону
1. Цей Закон регулює функціонування і застосування української мови як державної у сферах суспільного життя, визначених цим Законом, на всій території України.
2. Дія цього Закону не поширюється на сферу приватного спілкування та здійснення релігійних обрядів.
Article 2. Scope of the Law
1. This Law regulates the functioning and application of the Ukrainian language as the state language in the spheres of public life defined by this Law throughout the territory of Ukraine.
2. The effect of this Law does not apply to the sphere of private communication and the implementation of religious rites.
Стаття 9. Особи, які зобов'язані володіти державною мовою та застосовувати її під час виконання службових обов'язків.
Article 9. Persons who are required to speak the state language and apply it during the performance of official duties.
(Followed by a list of government officials)

So all the law requires is that official government actions take place in Ukrainian. It even provides for the use of other languages:

Стаття 12. Робоча мова діяльності органів державної влади, органів влади Автономної Республіки Крим, органів місцевого самоврядування, підприємств, установ та організацій державної і комунальної форм власності
1. Робочою мовою діяльності органів державної влади, органів влади Автономної Республіки Крим, органів місцевого самоврядування, підприємств, установ та організацій державної і комунальної форм власності, у тому числі мовою засідань, заходів, зустрічей та мовою робочого спілкування, є державна мова.
Робочою мовою діяльності закордонних дипломатичних установ України, інших державних представництв за кордоном є державна мова.
2. У разі якщо під час засідання, заходу або зустрічі використовується інша мова, ніж державна, має бути забезпечений переклад державною мовою.
Article 12. Working language of activities of state authorities, authorities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, local self-government bodies, enterprises, institutions and organizations of state and communal forms of ownership
1. The working language of activity of state authorities, authorities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, local self-government bodies, enterprises, institutions and organizations of state and communal forms of ownership, including the language of meetings, events, meetings and the language of working communication, is the state language.
The working language of activity of foreign diplomatic institutions of Ukraine, other state representative offices abroad is the state language.
2. If a language other than the state language is used during a meeting, event or meeting, translation into the state language must be provided.

Furthermore, this law did not even come into effect until 2019. At the time of the Russian invasion in 2014, the 2012 Law on the Principles of the State Language Policy was still in effect. This granted regional language status to Russian and other minority languages where they exceeded 10% of the local population.

This constant hyperbole about the persecution of the Russian minority does not give credence to you arguments and raises doubts about your other claims.

This is much too early to claim that they were only protecting Russians from Ukrainian attacks.

But I didn't say that. What I said is that Russia provided them with material assets (weapons & ammo mostly) for them to be able to protect themselves, period. You want to claim that these separatists were in fact Russian military, but that was not the case. The fighting was started by the Azov Battalion (Nazis) before these separatists began retaliation maneuvers because they had lost loved ones due to the terroristic attacks carried out by these Nazis.

If we still had an honest and free internet, and information were still readily available, then I would be able to provide the information. However, that is no longer the reality, because the propaganda machine has hidden the truth.

Perhaps you might be aware of this reality, but quire frankly it wouldn't surprise in the least if you are not even aware of that fact.

Enjoy being a slave, is all I will say to you at this point. Start reading what the U.N. has planned for the world's lesser inhabitants, once the One World Government is ushered in, because you are a lost cause when it comes to awakening you to reality. They lay it out. Of course they paint a rosy picture, but that is just more lies to quell a large swath of the population to tamp down their rebelling against "the machine".

I can only imagine that you want to believe nothing has changed in this nation. I can only surmise that is because you wear blinders supplied by the Deep State to remain focused on corrupt Ukraine.

That's right, they are a major nation carrying out evil enterprises to supply sex slaves of all age, body parts, money laundering and more likely many other evil trafficking/smuggling operations.

We have provided over 200 billion dollars in 2+ years for what exactly? Not to save their nation, but many have become extremely wealthy from the taxpayers.

Interestingly enough, we did the same with Russia, when the USSR finally crumbled under the weight of their accumulated debt, which was nowhere near the debt we have racked up, but then again they didn't have the honor of being the world's reserve currency either.

Perhaps you should pay a lot more attention to the U.S. national debt clock, and get very familiar with each little square & start to understand exactly what the ramifications are. Especially when you consider that neither political party even wants to begin tackling it.

Instead, they are, for the most part, enriching themselves in order to weather the fallout that is looming on the horizon, and is inevitably coming if the necessary hard measures, that now are running out of time to help, are not taken & soon.

Perhaps you think you are wealthy enough, but reality just may throw you a curve that will make you realize how wrong you were on that as well.

If you haven't even begun replacing you paper money into hard assets such as precious metals, then your wealth will disappear overnight when the U.S. economy fails just as the USSR eventually failed.

Your inability to connect dots, is either because you are too lazy, or you lack the intelligence to do so. I personally think the latter is the case.

But man they really do have a hold on you foolish Zeepers.

Oh, and you can say whatever your little heart desires about me, because it's you that is the fool here, not I.

I think you should read the Minsk 1 & 2 Accords:

Minsk 1 Accord

Minsk 2 Accord

As for the timeline of the fighting in eastern Ukraine, that was the slight of hand used to make it appear that the Russian Speaking Ukraine separatists were the ones who started the hostilities. This was accomplished by claiming that the self funded Azov Battalion was founded in May 2014, which is factually correct.

However, what they conveniently omit is that the pre Azov Battalion existed as a very dangerous gang prior and had been in existence for quite a while.

With the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych the gang took advantage of the situation and started hostilities in eastern Ukraine. That resulted in a small faction of separatists to ask Russia for arms to protect the regions from these terroristic attacks.

They were a small group that really did not enjoy much support by the population other than grateful that they had arms to attack back against the terrorist. They sought autonomy, because even though the parliament had not passed the legislation, it was being implemented anyway. Or I will make is easy for you, and you can read this:

The above was taken from the Minsk 2 Accord in 2015, that belies the contention that it wasn't an issue back then because it hadn't even become law until 2019.

Like I keep saying, and you refuse to believe me. I guess because you are convinced I am some sort of Russian puppet, for the readily available evidence of the truth has been scrubbed & hidden, which allows the propaganda data to become more front & center.

You are being lied to. I am trying to tell you the truth. I am not the enemy here. I am a red-blooded American who sees what is going on. Try listening to me, and start paying attention. If you do you will start to see the lies for yourself.

There is absolutely no love lost by me on either Russia or Putin, but you are supporting pure evil, and Ukraine is paying the price. That & our involvement there are my only concerns, and why I support stopping the killing in Ukraine.

If you reread my post you will see that I said that Russia only intervened directly in August. The initial militias were a mix of Ukrainians and Russians. But they were armed and directed by the Russians. They were in effect Russian agents.

The fighting was started by the Azov Battalion (Nazis) before these separatists began retaliation maneuvers because they had lost loved ones due to the terroristic attacks carried out by these Nazis.

I know that the Azov are the pro-Russian's favorite boogymen, but again you have your timeline off. The Azov Battalion was formed in May of 2014, two months after militants had originally occupied the Donetsk Regional State Administration Building in March and a month after the Security Service of Ukraine buildings were seized in Donetsk and Luhansk in April. They were employed in the Ukrainian counter-offensive to retake what had been seized by the Russian separatists. The fighting was not started by the Azov.

The Azov aside, will you at least acknowledge that your claim that "it was an illegal act to speak or teach the Russian language in public facilities of Government. So if you mistakenly spoke in Russian, you could be charged with a criminal act," was incorrect?

Did you miss this part of Minsk II:

Article 9: the process of re-establishing ‘full control’ over the Ukraine/Russia border by the Ukrainian authorities.

No, as that was irrelevant to the issue of speaking Russian. But it does negate the fact that even if it wasn't adopted into law until 2019, it was still an issue from very early on. However, now that you mention it, you left off a majority of it that places conditions on that. The Conditions are:

There is now no reference to Poroshenko’s buffer zone or an (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) OSCE-monitored security zone. Instead, the process of returning the border to Ukraine’s control begins the day after local elections have been held and concludes ‘after’ the ‘comprehensive political settlement’ (i.e. local elections plus constitutional reform providing for decentralization) due by the end of 2015 – but ‘on condition’ that article 11 (next bullet) has been implemented ‘in consultation with and upon agreement by’ the DNR/LNR

Just for clarity of anyone reading along, or for us to refer to rather than going back to my previous post, let's include Article 11 here again:

Article 11: constitutional reform. A new Ukrainian constitution will enter into force by the end of 2015. Its ‘key element’ will be ‘decentralization’, which will take account of the ‘peculiarities’ of occupied Donbas, as agreed with the DNR/LNR representatives. Ukraine will also adopt ‘permanent legislation’ on special status before the end of 2015. This law will include: an amnesty; ‘the right of linguistic self-determination’; the involvement of the local authorities in the appointment of prosecutors and courts; agreements between Ukraine’s central authorities and the local authorities covering ‘economic, social and cultural development’; state support for the socio-economic development of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts; assistance from the central authorities to support ‘transnational cooperation’ between the occupied regions and regions of the Russian Federation; rights for local parliaments to create ‘people’s militia units’; and no early termination of the powers of local parliaments and elected officials.

Now back to your next point that follows:

The predecessors of the Azov Battalion was the Black Corps which operated in Kharkiv, not Donetsk or Luhansk, and only numbered around 60 or 70 men. Again, their formation was in response to activities by pro-Russian militants. Pro-Russian militants took to the streets early and were not just a reaction to attacks by "Nazis." If that were the truth then they should have been happy with Ukrainian authorities restoring order rather than seeking independence and annexation by Russia.

Black Corps or whatever they wanted to call themselves before they officially became the Azov Battalion, is of little relevance. What is relevant is that they were labeled as a dangerous organized gang-styled operation.

Kharkiv is only about 181 miles from Donesk. They became more involved in the city of Kharkiv when the Russian's launched their invasion in 2022.

Prior to that in 2014 they took advantage of the changing situation with the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych, and traveled the 181 miles south to Donesk with probably far more than the 70 or 80 members of their gang to engage with the Russian speaking Ukrainian populations, in retaliation for Russia retaking the Crimea.

Like I said, right now due to the suppression of the truth on the internet, you are at an advantage, because the truth has been made impossible to retrieve in this bold new age disinforming the public with the truth.

If the Azovs were just patriots, I would support them. However, the fact that they are also Nazis, means there is no way I would ever support them. I find it ironic that you also support them, just like the presstitutes do, while they call Trump supporters Nazis, and Trump himself Hitler. But then again, and possibly you, the name only serves to denigrate those they disagree with, and has nothing to do with their dislike for actual Nazis, There was a lot of support for both the Nazis & the Fascists of Italy back then in this country. It was only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, that Nazis & Fascists became reviled by all Americas.

Unless you have been living under a rock, than you should know that what I am speaking is the truth, and I am beginning to think you ignoring this is so, completely by design and not ignorance.

Because you seem to ignore the truth about Biden, the One World Government, even the state of collapse of our nation is teetering upon.

It's as if you really do not care about this nation at all.

We are 35 trillion in national debt, with another 200+ trillion in unfunded liabilities, yet your concern is still focused upon Ukraine. I feel for the Ukrainian people, but if we fall there is not one there to even help them. Because of our problems we are really in no position to help them right now, other than to work diplomatically to see they get best possible peace solution with at least some equity for them in the deal.

One has to wonder about who or what you really are, for I know of no one that thinks more about the issues facing another nation, over their nation, when what happens in their nation affects them personally, along with all of their loved ones.

This nation has dealt with nothing but continuous lies since the introduction of the Covid virous that was more than likely released on purpose to facilitate the theft of an election, or more accurately a coup d'état upon this nation.

What resulted has only brought on strife & hardship around the globe, but is has helped many people see the truth as to what is happening across the entire globe, a coordinated attack on freedom. Unfortunately you are not one of those people.

That leaves one to believe that you are either one stupid individual, or you are in someway complicit in the coordinated attack against freedom in the world, and acting on behalf of evil.

Lord have mercy upon your soul.

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