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To: Robert DeLong
true they controlled the Crimea and parts of the Donetsk & Luhansk regions in order to provide them with some form of protection against the Nazi Azov Battalion.

Sorry, but the Russian speaking Ukrainians were attacked before Russia supplied these people with weapons to defend themselves with.

You have your timeline off. Yanukovych was removed on February 22, 2014. The Russian militias were formed and declared independence in March and seized government buildings in April. This is much too early to claim that they were only protecting Russians from Ukrainian attacks. And where did these militias get the weapons to fight off the Ukrainian army? By August Ukraine had regained control of most of the area. The conflict could have ended at that point but Russia then intervened directly.

It would be for another 8 years that they seized the entire Donbass, Luhansk regions, along with parts of Zaporizhzhia, & Kherson regions.

Putting aside Crimea and Donbas, by what logic does Russia have any claim on Zaporizhzhia an Kherson which have overwhelming Ukrainian majorities?

The firs being that both languages are known by all Ukrainian citizens, so there really is no burden upon them whatsoever.

Then why is the use of Ukrainian in state institutions a burden on Russian speakers?

However, it was an illegal act to speak or teach the Russian language in public facilities of Government. So if you mistakenly spoke in Russian, you could be charged with a criminal act.

It does no such thing. I do not know where you get your information but have you ever actually read the law?

Стаття 2. Сфера дії Закону

1. Цей Закон регулює функціонування і застосування української мови як державної у сферах суспільного життя, визначених цим Законом, на всій території України.

2. Дія цього Закону не поширюється на сферу приватного спілкування та здійснення релігійних обрядів.

Article 2. Scope of the Law

1. This Law regulates the functioning and application of the Ukrainian language as the state language in the spheres of public life defined by this Law throughout the territory of Ukraine.

2. The effect of this Law does not apply to the sphere of private communication and the implementation of religious rites.

Стаття 9. Особи, які зобов'язані володіти державною мовою та застосовувати її під час виконання службових обов'язків.

Article 9. Persons who are required to speak the state language and apply it during the performance of official duties.

(Followed by a list of government officials)

So all the law requires is that official government actions take place in Ukrainian. It even provides for the use of other languages:
Стаття 12. Робоча мова діяльності органів державної влади, органів влади Автономної Республіки Крим, органів місцевого самоврядування, підприємств, установ та організацій державної і комунальної форм власності

1. Робочою мовою діяльності органів державної влади, органів влади Автономної Республіки Крим, органів місцевого самоврядування, підприємств, установ та організацій державної і комунальної форм власності, у тому числі мовою засідань, заходів, зустрічей та мовою робочого спілкування, є державна мова.

Робочою мовою діяльності закордонних дипломатичних установ України, інших державних представництв за кордоном є державна мова.

2. У разі якщо під час засідання, заходу або зустрічі використовується інша мова, ніж державна, має бути забезпечений переклад державною мовою.

Article 12. Working language of activities of state authorities, authorities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, local self-government bodies, enterprises, institutions and organizations of state and communal forms of ownership

1. The working language of activity of state authorities, authorities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, local self-government bodies, enterprises, institutions and organizations of state and communal forms of ownership, including the language of meetings, events, meetings and the language of working communication, is the state language.

The working language of activity of foreign diplomatic institutions of Ukraine, other state representative offices abroad is the state language.

2. If a language other than the state language is used during a meeting, event or meeting, translation into the state language must be provided.

Furthermore, this law did not even come into effect until 2019. At the time of the Russian invasion in 2014, the 2012 Law on the Principles of the State Language Policy was still in effect. This granted regional language status to Russian and other minority languages where they exceeded 10% of the local population.

This constant hyperbole about the persecution of the Russian minority does not give credence to you arguments and raises doubts about your other claims.

42 posted on 05/18/2024 8:35:12 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
This is much too early to claim that they were only protecting Russians from Ukrainian attacks.

But I didn't say that. What I said is that Russia provided them with material assets (weapons & ammo mostly) for them to be able to protect themselves, period. You want to claim that these separatists were in fact Russian military, but that was not the case. The fighting was started by the Azov Battalion (Nazis) before these separatists began retaliation maneuvers because they had lost loved ones due to the terroristic attacks carried out by these Nazis.

If we still had an honest and free internet, and information were still readily available, then I would be able to provide the information. However, that is no longer the reality, because the propaganda machine has hidden the truth.

Perhaps you might be aware of this reality, but quire frankly it wouldn't surprise in the least if you are not even aware of that fact.

Enjoy being a slave, is all I will say to you at this point. Start reading what the U.N. has planned for the world's lesser inhabitants, once the One World Government is ushered in, because you are a lost cause when it comes to awakening you to reality. They lay it out. Of course they paint a rosy picture, but that is just more lies to quell a large swath of the population to tamp down their rebelling against "the machine".

I can only imagine that you want to believe nothing has changed in this nation. I can only surmise that is because you wear blinders supplied by the Deep State to remain focused on corrupt Ukraine.

That's right, they are a major nation carrying out evil enterprises to supply sex slaves of all age, body parts, money laundering and more likely many other evil trafficking/smuggling operations.

We have provided over 200 billion dollars in 2+ years for what exactly? Not to save their nation, but many have become extremely wealthy from the taxpayers.

Interestingly enough, we did the same with Russia, when the USSR finally crumbled under the weight of their accumulated debt, which was nowhere near the debt we have racked up, but then again they didn't have the honor of being the world's reserve currency either.

Perhaps you should pay a lot more attention to the U.S. national debt clock, and get very familiar with each little square & start to understand exactly what the ramifications are. Especially when you consider that neither political party even wants to begin tackling it.

Instead, they are, for the most part, enriching themselves in order to weather the fallout that is looming on the horizon, and is inevitably coming if the necessary hard measures, that now are running out of time to help, are not taken & soon.

Perhaps you think you are wealthy enough, but reality just may throw you a curve that will make you realize how wrong you were on that as well.

If you haven't even begun replacing you paper money into hard assets such as precious metals, then your wealth will disappear overnight when the U.S. economy fails just as the USSR eventually failed.

Your inability to connect dots, is either because you are too lazy, or you lack the intelligence to do so. I personally think the latter is the case.

But man they really do have a hold on you foolish Zeepers.

Oh, and you can say whatever your little heart desires about me, because it's you that is the fool here, not I.

43 posted on 05/18/2024 10:13:54 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Petrosius
I think you should read the Minsk 1 & 2 Accords:

Minsk 1 Accord

Minsk 2 Accord

As for the timeline of the fighting in eastern Ukraine, that was the slight of hand used to make it appear that the Russian Speaking Ukraine separatists were the ones who started the hostilities. This was accomplished by claiming that the self funded Azov Battalion was founded in May 2014, which is factually correct.

However, what they conveniently omit is that the pre Azov Battalion existed as a very dangerous gang prior and had been in existence for quite a while.

With the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych the gang took advantage of the situation and started hostilities in eastern Ukraine. That resulted in a small faction of separatists to ask Russia for arms to protect the regions from these terroristic attacks.

They were a small group that really did not enjoy much support by the population other than grateful that they had arms to attack back against the terrorist. They sought autonomy, because even though the parliament had not passed the legislation, it was being implemented anyway. Or I will make is easy for you, and you can read this:

Article 11: constitutional reform. A new Ukrainian constitution will enter into force by the end of 2015. Its ‘key element’ will be ‘decentralization’, which will take account of the ‘peculiarities’ of occupied Donbas, as agreed with the DNR/LNR representatives. Ukraine will also adopt ‘permanent legislation’ on special status before the end of 2015. This law will include: an amnesty; ‘the right of linguistic self-determination’

The above was taken from the Minsk 2 Accord in 2015, that belies the contention that it wasn't an issue back then because it hadn't even become law until 2019.

Like I keep saying, and you refuse to believe me. I guess because you are convinced I am some sort of Russian puppet, for the readily available evidence of the truth has been scrubbed & hidden, which allows the propaganda data to become more front & center.

You are being lied to. I am trying to tell you the truth. I am not the enemy here. I am a red-blooded American who sees what is going on. Try listening to me, and start paying attention. If you do you will start to see the lies for yourself.

There is absolutely no love lost by me on either Russia or Putin, but you are supporting pure evil, and Ukraine is paying the price. That & our involvement there are my only concerns, and why I support stopping the killing in Ukraine.

44 posted on 05/18/2024 4:02:20 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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