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To: Robert DeLong
Did you miss this part of Minsk II:
Article 9: the process of re-establishing ‘full control’ over the Ukraine/Russia border by the Ukrainian authorities.
However, what they conveniently omit is that the pre Azov Battalion existed as a very dangerous gang prior and had been in existence for quite a while.

The predecessors of the Azov Battalion was the Black Corps which operated in Kharkiv, not Donetsk or Luhansk, and only numbered around 60 or 70 men. Again, their formation was in response to activities by pro-Russian militants. Pro-Russian militants took to the streets early and were not just a reaction to attacks by "Nazis." If that were the truth then they should have been happy with Ukrainian authorities restoring order rather than seeking independence and annexation by Russia.

47 posted on 05/18/2024 4:36:43 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Did you miss this part of Minsk II:

Article 9: the process of re-establishing ‘full control’ over the Ukraine/Russia border by the Ukrainian authorities.

No, as that was irrelevant to the issue of speaking Russian. But it does negate the fact that even if it wasn't adopted into law until 2019, it was still an issue from very early on. However, now that you mention it, you left off a majority of it that places conditions on that. The Conditions are:

There is now no reference to Poroshenko’s buffer zone or an (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) OSCE-monitored security zone. Instead, the process of returning the border to Ukraine’s control begins the day after local elections have been held and concludes ‘after’ the ‘comprehensive political settlement’ (i.e. local elections plus constitutional reform providing for decentralization) due by the end of 2015 – but ‘on condition’ that article 11 (next bullet) has been implemented ‘in consultation with and upon agreement by’ the DNR/LNR

Just for clarity of anyone reading along, or for us to refer to rather than going back to my previous post, let's include Article 11 here again:

Article 11: constitutional reform. A new Ukrainian constitution will enter into force by the end of 2015. Its ‘key element’ will be ‘decentralization’, which will take account of the ‘peculiarities’ of occupied Donbas, as agreed with the DNR/LNR representatives. Ukraine will also adopt ‘permanent legislation’ on special status before the end of 2015. This law will include: an amnesty; ‘the right of linguistic self-determination’; the involvement of the local authorities in the appointment of prosecutors and courts; agreements between Ukraine’s central authorities and the local authorities covering ‘economic, social and cultural development’; state support for the socio-economic development of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts; assistance from the central authorities to support ‘transnational cooperation’ between the occupied regions and regions of the Russian Federation; rights for local parliaments to create ‘people’s militia units’; and no early termination of the powers of local parliaments and elected officials.

Now back to your next point that follows:

The predecessors of the Azov Battalion was the Black Corps which operated in Kharkiv, not Donetsk or Luhansk, and only numbered around 60 or 70 men. Again, their formation was in response to activities by pro-Russian militants. Pro-Russian militants took to the streets early and were not just a reaction to attacks by "Nazis." If that were the truth then they should have been happy with Ukrainian authorities restoring order rather than seeking independence and annexation by Russia.

Black Corps or whatever they wanted to call themselves before they officially became the Azov Battalion, is of little relevance. What is relevant is that they were labeled as a dangerous organized gang-styled operation.

Kharkiv is only about 181 miles from Donesk. They became more involved in the city of Kharkiv when the Russian's launched their invasion in 2022.

Prior to that in 2014 they took advantage of the changing situation with the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych, and traveled the 181 miles south to Donesk with probably far more than the 70 or 80 members of their gang to engage with the Russian speaking Ukrainian populations, in retaliation for Russia retaking the Crimea.

Like I said, right now due to the suppression of the truth on the internet, you are at an advantage, because the truth has been made impossible to retrieve in this bold new age disinforming the public with the truth.

If the Azovs were just patriots, I would support them. However, the fact that they are also Nazis, means there is no way I would ever support them. I find it ironic that you also support them, just like the presstitutes do, while they call Trump supporters Nazis, and Trump himself Hitler. But then again, and possibly you, the name only serves to denigrate those they disagree with, and has nothing to do with their dislike for actual Nazis, There was a lot of support for both the Nazis & the Fascists of Italy back then in this country. It was only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, that Nazis & Fascists became reviled by all Americas.

Unless you have been living under a rock, than you should know that what I am speaking is the truth, and I am beginning to think you ignoring this is so, completely by design and not ignorance.

Because you seem to ignore the truth about Biden, the One World Government, even the state of collapse of our nation is teetering upon.

It's as if you really do not care about this nation at all.

We are 35 trillion in national debt, with another 200+ trillion in unfunded liabilities, yet your concern is still focused upon Ukraine. I feel for the Ukrainian people, but if we fall there is not one there to even help them. Because of our problems we are really in no position to help them right now, other than to work diplomatically to see they get best possible peace solution with at least some equity for them in the deal.

One has to wonder about who or what you really are, for I know of no one that thinks more about the issues facing another nation, over their nation, when what happens in their nation affects them personally, along with all of their loved ones.

This nation has dealt with nothing but continuous lies since the introduction of the Covid virous that was more than likely released on purpose to facilitate the theft of an election, or more accurately a coup d'état upon this nation.

What resulted has only brought on strife & hardship around the globe, but is has helped many people see the truth as to what is happening across the entire globe, a coordinated attack on freedom. Unfortunately you are not one of those people.

That leaves one to believe that you are either one stupid individual, or you are in someway complicit in the coordinated attack against freedom in the world, and acting on behalf of evil.

Lord have mercy upon your soul.

48 posted on 05/19/2024 8:53:58 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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