Posted on 07/19/2022 8:22:34 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
Nearly five months into its senseless war against Ukraine, Russia has concocted a wild new explanation for why the Kremlin’s plans for a quick takeover fell apart so spectacularly—because Ukrainian troops were turned into superhuman killing machines during “secret experiments” in American-run biolabs, of course.
Never mind the myriad reports of Russian troops refusing to fight by the thousands, sabotaging their own shoddy equipment and even deliberately wounding themselves to abandon the war, Russian lawmakers claim the real setback for Moscow was “drugged up” Ukrainian soldiers.
That claim was made Monday by two Russian lawmakers heading up a commission to investigate “biolaboratories” in Ukraine, Kommersant reported.
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Russia is losing? Really? I don’t like Putin, but anybody supporting the scum Ukraine government is being fooled by the globalists.
“Your skill as a propagandist is low, maybe D- level at best.”
You are struggling, again. First, the US government and the Defense Department lied for years about running biolabs. They get busted by the Russians, and even Victoria Nuland has to admit... well... that what Congress was told was a lie (If you saw the hearing, Rubio was quite surprised at her response to what he thought was a softball question on biolabs.).
Now, after the the Pentagon and Biden Administrion are caught with their pants (or Depends, as the case may be) down in front of Congress, Psaki goes out less than 24 hours later and LIES again saying that it’s all Russian fake news (She must think that the arch Neocon Nuland is a paid agent of Putin; maybe you believe that.).
Then the Russians present at the UN captured documents (that are fully linked in the article.) showing research was going on regarding such “innocuous” things as spreading pathogens (such as H5N1, which allegedly has a50% fatality rate, Newcastle disease) via migrating birds.
Finally, the Pentagon admits, contrary to prior Biden Administration lies, that it was running 46 biolabs in Ukraine, but they were just doing “peaceful” research in the interest of “public health and agricultural safety” (and probably studying unicorns and rainbows, too).
Yes, GP quoted the Pentagon’s admission that all its former claims regarding the non-existence of biolabs in Ukraine were “inoperative”. That language also included statements that are utterly risible. Of course! The Pentagon is up to its ears in humanitarian research on public health and agricultural safety...in Ukraine, no less! Yep, the Pentagon is a regular Texas A&M, and Lloyd Austin is an Aggie who loves him some Ukrainian agricultural research. You apparently suffer from the tendency to believe whatever the Biden Administration says regarding the Ukraine, even if it requires believing simultaneously there are no labs and that there are labs and that the Pentagon is really a land grant university in disguise operating in Ukraine.
The fact is that the US has blatantly lied about the Pentagon having a network of biolabs in Ukraine. It is also lying ridiculously about what was being done. Moreover, our government and/or its media allies lie just about everything else - global warming, the reasons for skyrocketing energy prices, the health of the economy, the Russia collusion hoax, claiming Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation, the Big Guy never met with Hunter about his “business” deals, the Green New Deal is feasible, the vax was properly tested and is safe, the vax is a “one and done solution”, the spike protein injected by the vax stays in the deltoid musle, the vax won’t modify your DNA, facemasks protect against respiratory viruses, “social distancing” is effective for helping stop the spread of Covid, the PCR test is a proper diagnostic test for illness, Ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine are ineffective and may be harmful, Remdesivir is safe and effective, wiping down surfaces helps stop the spread of Covid, the vax has few, if any side effects, no one has been shown to die from the vax, President Depends is functional, inflation is Putin’s fault, men can be women if they feel like it, and vice versa, and on and on and on.
But what do you do? When it comes to your irrational hatred of the Russians, whatever President Depends and his friends in the media and elsewhere say is the “gold standard’ of truth. Whatever the Russians say is automatically a lie. It sounds childish because it is.
Reality? The Russian MOD daily battle reports and Russian statements about the war are usually, but not always, quite accurate. Biden/Ukrainian blather about the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island, Miss Ukraine, the “Million Man Army”, massive Russian losses, the “Mass Rapes by Russians”, the Bucha Hoax, denials about the NeoNazis in the Ukrainian government and the UFA, and so on ad infinitum are mendacious moonshine.
We have a large, well funded psyops operation that the government is skilled at deploying, as the Covid hoax demonstrated. That psyops operation is now churning away convincing the gullible that day is night, and night is day with respect to Ukraine. The Russians have hardly engaged the West informationally because, I’m sure, they see that it is fultile to try to get through the Russophobia that is a relic from the days of the USSR and the superating smog of government and media lies.
In the meantime, while UFA victory is “just around the corner”, poor, defeated, badly equipped, morale challenged “Ivan” is taking fortified UFA position after UFA position and will soon have cleared the Donbass of the UFA. After that, well, he’ll probably continue “retreating” to the Dnieper, out to Transnistria, and out to Kharkov. But, who knows? Zelensky’s Million Man Army, with its “Wunderwaffen” may change everything.
If the US government and Nato were staffed by decent people, they would never pushed on Ukraine and the Russians to the point of bringing about this travesty. If they had consciences the current crop of politicians and bureaucrats in the West would have sought a negotiated settlement long ago. Instead, we get the sociopathic Biden Administration, its enablers in the US, and the clown posse leadership of NATO and the EU, which means death on an industrial scale continues in Ukraine.
No reason to read anything else you have to say. That's a completely disproven attempt by the Russian propaganda operations to cover up for their atrocities in Bucha. You can watch the Russians killing civilians on video, but somehow the Putin propagandists like you are still repeating the Russian propaganda lies.
And that is why you get a D- for propaganda. You aren't even any good at that job.
That’s the best you can do?
OK, here’s some “Russian propaganda” on war crimes and propaganda below. How do I know its Russian? It’s easy! It contradicts you and your Neocon sources. Actually, it’s Swiss (The original has lots of links to source documents, not that it would matter to you), but them there clever Ruskis must have learned how to wear lederhosen and yodel:
War Crimes
In terms of war crimes, the current situation is in stark contrast to claims by Western media and Western governments, as most war crimes have been committed not by the Russian side, but by the Ukrainian side. This includes many major war crimes blamed on the Russian side, such as the infamous Bucha massacre, the Mariupol theater bombing, or the Kramatorsk railway station bombing. Other supposed Russian war crimes were simply made up by Ukrainian officials, such as allegations of systematic rape and mass looting.
Yet other events were taken out of context, such as the alleged Russian bombing of Ukrainian schools and hospitals or shopping centers, which in almost all cases had been turned into Ukrainian military bases or ammunition depots. In other cases, civilian buildings supposedly destroyed by Russian missiles were in fact destroyed by Ukrainian air-defense missiles (e.g. in Kiev) or Ukrainian artillery missiles (e.g. in Borodyanka northwest of Kiev).
In yet other cases, Ukrainian forces, poorly disguised as Russian forces, executed Ukrainian civilians that welcomed the false “Russian liberators”; Western media then presented footage of the Ukrainian execution as a Russian war crime. In even other cases, the Ukrainian bombing of Donbas cities was presented as the Russian bombing of Ukrainian cities.
In the case of Bucha, the bodies seen in the streets were victims of Ukrainian shelling of residential areas during the Russian occupation and retreat, and of subsequent Ukrainian executions of “collaborators” (hence the many white armbands, a sign of friendly status during Russian occupation). The bodies were then presented as victims of a supposed “Russian massacre”.
Ironically, the Ukrainian commander who oversaw the Bucha massacre had previously been a Russian intelligence asset who had built up “neonazi groups” in Russia and Belarus. The international “marketing” of the Bucha massacre as a supposed Russian war crime appears to have been coordinated by British intelligence, similar to numerous chemical false-flag attacks in Syria.
In the case of the Mariupol maternity clinic, Western media claimed it was a Russian airstrike, but they could not provide any evidence supporting this hypothesis, and witnesses at the clinic said there was no airstrike. Yet the incident remains unresolved, and both a Russian attack (possibly targeting a nearby Ukrainian base) or a Ukrainian operation or deception remain possible.
In the case of the recent Kremenchuk shopping center incident, the Ukrainian government claimed a Russian missile hit a shopping center with 1,000 people inside; in reality, the Russian missiles hit an adjacent machinery and military plant and the shopping center was either closed or mostly empty at the time of the strike. However, one of the Russian missiles did hit the railroad tracks between the machinery plant and the shopping center, which then caught fire and burnt down.
Documented, confirmed or potential Russian war crimes currently consist mainly of the shooting and killing of civilians that approached Russian checkpoints or military columns, on foot or by car, although the context of these events is sometimes unclear (e.g. if there were any warning shots). There are also allegations of several other crimes against individual Russian soldiers that are currently difficult to verify independently.
On the Ukrainian side, documented war crimes encompass mass torture and mass executions, both against prisoners of war and their own people (if deemed pro-Russian collaborators or sympathizers), including several cases of decapitation; the military use of civilian infrastructure (including schools) and civilians as “human shields”; and large-scale shelling of residential areas behind front lines, especially against the city of Donetsk (in one case even hitting a maternity clinic).
Moreover, several Western journalists, whose death was blamed on the Russian side, were in fact killed by the Ukrainian side (in friendly-fire incidents). In another case, it was claimed Russian forces “executed a Ukrainian journalist in cold blood”; in reality, the journalist, wearing a blue (military) armband instead of his press jacket and being accompanied by an armed friend in military clothing, crossed the front line by car to retrieve a drone in a forest near a Russian position.
False claims of major Russian war crimes (i.e. atrocity propaganda) have been used by Western governments to justify sanctions against Russia and weapons supplies to Ukraine. The heavy use of such atrocity propaganda is not a new phenomenon, of course: important recent examples include the US/NATO wars against Yugoslavia and against Syria. However, in the case of Ukraine, NATO countries cannot currently use atrocity propaganda to justify a direct military intervention.
Propaganda and Censorship
On the Russian side, propaganda efforts depict the Ukraine war primarily as a continuation of the Second World War or Great Patriotic War against National Socialist Germany, focusing on the supposed “denazification” of Ukraine. At the same time, Russian President Putin has criticized Soviet leaders for having made Ukraine a quasi-independent political entity in the first place. Thus, Russian propaganda combines elements referring to both the former Soviet Union and the earlier Russian Tsarist empire.
Overall, the “Nazi narrative” appears to be quite effective, both in Russia and in the West, in part because many key aspects of the Second World War and NS Germany still cannot be questioned, neither in Russia nor in the sphere of Anglo-American countries, which during the Second World War were allied with Stalin’s Soviet Union against Hitler’s Germany.
On the NATO side, propaganda efforts mainly focus on Russian aggression, supposed Russian war crimes and supposed Ukrainian successes. NATO propaganda is produced by multiple PR firms, coordinated by intelligence services, and distributed to Western media outlets by the three global news agencies AP (American), AFP (French) and Reuters (British-Canadian). The total number of NATO propaganda messages in Western media is likely approaching about one thousand.
In addition, both sides have introduced significant media censorship. In NATO countries, this includes the removal of Russian and pro-Russian media outlets from major Internet search engines Google, Microsoft Bing and even DuckDuckGo. Furthermore, British security state operatives were caught trying to suppress independent media coverage of the Ukraine war.
Nevertheless, independent media outlets and uncensored Telegram channels have continued to provide reliable real-time footage and analysis of the situation in Ukraine.
Try this, loads of “ reality”. Comprehensive list of western MSM misinformation and lies.
https://www.conservapedia.com/Russia-Ukraine_war#Battle_of_Mariupol
That is extraordinarily comprehensive. Who knew that Conservapedia is written by Putin and Medvedev? ;-)
I see that I left out the “Avenger of Zaporozhye” hoax in my quick list, but the Western media may find that one just to ludicrous to publish widely.
Your supposedly neutral Swiss source, for which you provide no link, repeats a wholly discredited Russian propaganda talking point:
"In the case of the recent Kremenchuk shopping center incident, the Ukrainian government claimed a Russian missile hit a shopping center with 1,000 people inside; in reality, the Russian missiles hit an adjacent machinery and military plant and the shopping center was either closed or mostly empty at the time of the strike"
In reality the missile hit the shopping center and killed a number of civilians. The machinery plant was basically undamaged.
Your propaganda is pathetic. I wouldn't be surprised if the "Swiss" source is from a domain ending in .ru
It’s deliberate. The Ukey knob slobberers post this crap at least once a night. Then they ping their fellow cockroaches.
Why don’t you admit you really don’t follow anything other than the MSM transcriptions of mendacious Biden Administration/Neocon talking points? The site is Swiss and certainly doesn’t end in “.ru” (swprs.org), but what if it did? As I said before, you begin with a Euclidean axiomatic certainty that whatever blather the Neocons feed you throgh the MSM, Nato, etc is right, and everything else is a “Russian lie.” You don’t realize that there are Greeks, Indians, Eastern Europeans, Americans, Brits, Swiss, and many others who dissent from your impossibly simple Neocon narrative.
Let’s try again...here you can read about the Bucha hoax and a great deal more that you won’t like from a source you will immediately denounce as “Russian propaganda” because it doesn’t endorse your false beliefs:
https://www.conservapedia.com/Russia-Ukraine_war#Battle_of_Mariupol
What’s your next move? Declaring that you consulted a fact checker that tells you these sites are unreliable? Don’t bother. The “fact checkers” are known to be funded by the left. Hell, Facebook has even admitted in pleadings under oath in a federal libel action by John Stossell that “fact checkers” only express opinions. Do you understand? In a libel action the truth of facts asserted is a defense, but opinions also get some protection. In other words, because Facebook can’t base a defense on the truth of fact checker “facts”, it is claiming that its fact checkers are protected because they are editorializing.
Sol when is Russia going to win this war that you putards said
Russia has already won?
I have no need to read faked up opinions by propagandists. Anyone who wants to know what happened can see original videos from Bucha and the other locations of Russian atrocities. You can listen to the words of the people who were there, including captured Russians.
Because you only read propaganda, and rely on it as truth doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Its going to take a few months? I thought the Ukes were surronded, cut off from supplies and going to surrender en masse or be slaughtered oh say about three months ago?
conservapedia?
Here is a gem!:
“On March 7, 2022 Russian state media announced that half of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) - 120,000 soldiers - were trapped in the Donbas cauldron.[90] The Donbas cauldron was confirmed closed on March 14, 2022.[91] By March 27, 2022, it was estimated that close to half of this force has already been killed, wounded, taken prisoner, or probably accounting for by far most, deserted and fled.”
So ukraine has lost half its army in March and still the war rages on!!
“Donbas cauldron was confirmed closed”
And yet Russia still doesnt control all of the Donbas!
They have been surrounded MULTIPLE TIMES. That's why, by Ukraine's own admission, they have been losing a 1000 troops A DAY in Donbass.
Only someone completely ignorant of what is going on can't find a daily map of the areas Russia controls and see how much ground the Russians have been gaining week by week.
You're an ignoramus. You are too ignorant or delusional to even have a conversation with.
It's no wonder you're too gutless to make a prediction on how this war is going to end. You don't want to because you know Russia will get every, single thing it wants out of this war, just as I have predicted.
Golly, it can’t be right because the Neocons/Neolibs deny it. You might be amazed to know that the UFA formation in the Donbass is not half the UFA, which it would have to be if the the UFA losses in Donbass mean the “ukraine has lost half its army”. According to one MSM source, the (prewar) total of forces available to Ukraine is about 600,000 (about 250k active, 50k militia, 290k reserves). The Ukraine has been constantly funneling new troops into the Donbass, and it’s now fielding the very young, the old, and several thousand women, in addition to whatever prime age men they can still find. The UFA losses are staggering, which is why they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and prohibiting men 18-60 from leaving the country.
I would agree that you can find different reasonable estimates of UFA losses, but what is clear is that the UFA has been, and is being, ground to pieces. That is NOT a good thing. Most of the UFA consists of regular people (not Azov, Right Sector, OUN, etc.), but they are being used as cannon fodder for political purposes. They know it, and that’s why desertion rates are high.
BTW, do you know why the Russians have had the operational tempo they have been following? (Hint: it’s not because the UFA has been inflicting massive casualties)
You could have stopped with a simple: “I have no need to read...”
The Bucha hoax was exactly that. You have no idea what was videoed or how it was staged. But, then, you’d have to read extensively to know that. Did you fall for the Trump/Russia collusion hoax and the Covid hoax, too?
If the Ukes were surronded in the donbas MONTHS ago,
the Donbas would now be in Russian hands.
It is not.
You just don't want to believe that you are either a member of, or supporting a group of people who rape, torture, and slaughter civilians. So cope with your guilt by claiming it is a "hoax" if that makes you feel better. But don't expect the rest of us to swallow the same BS you enjoy.
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