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No, Nope, No: It Is Not Time for a Civil War: Everyone out there asking whether it's time to "use the guns" against the government needs a hard and fast answer in the negative
American Thinker ^ | 02/23/2022 | Jeremy Egerer

Posted on 02/23/2022 7:10:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Charlie Kirk was asked recently, at one of his lectures, whether now is a good time to "use the guns."  He answered that it isn't, and I agree with him but only partially for the reasons he stated.

Simply put, the idea that right-wingers could start a revolution and win one, at this point in history, is comedy — and no, I don't care if that's the sole reason we have a Second Amendment and we have more AR-15s.  First off, we don't own any of the institutions — including any branches of the military, which, although staffed with lots of great and respectable men, are currently run by woman-drafters, white-shamers, and tranny-loving butt-kissers

I would add to this that social and big media are owned almost entirely by the left wing, which means we have no platform to mass-communicate.  Do we run the CIA, or the FBI, or any national organization built to maintain law and order in a crisis?  No — all of it is in possession of the left wing, which gives leftists a clear advantage in organization and persecution. 

More importantly, I would posit that these United States are so completely interdependent that any kind of real split, even without bloodshed, would result in mass starvation and eventually death.  This isn't the 1860s, when clothes could be homespun and farms were all family-owned.  There isn't a single business in these states that maintains its existence within a single state: everyone is dependent on other businesses in other states, and many times in other countries, to supply what he needs to function on even a basic level.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; civilwar; guns; secondamendment
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

That is undercover FBI Agents and their Informants that are saying “Use the guns” against the Government. Stay away from them. And immediately call the FBI on them.


21 posted on 02/23/2022 7:19:35 AM PST by sport
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To: SeekAndFind

This CWII talk is crazy. There’s not even a definable Mason-Dixon line if there was to be a CWII, so CWII would end up just being a prolonged guerilla war against an “occupying force.”


22 posted on 02/23/2022 7:20:09 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Often attributed to Albert Einstein, apparently he didn't say it. But it's a still a good quote.

Patriots have been losing the culture war for over 50 years. Continuing to try to win that way seems like insanity to me.

I'd like to see a peaceful divorce. I'd like to see secessions.

24 posted on 02/23/2022 7:20:23 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Weak people see themselves as victims; such people should not be in charge of anything.)
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To: Yo-Yo

So the right wing propaganda works. A split defaults to war WHICH IN REALITY IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT.


25 posted on 02/23/2022 7:21:29 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Old Yeller
😎👍

Many here love to pretend the 2020 Steal never happened.

26 posted on 02/23/2022 7:22:08 AM PST by moovova
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To: central_va

Re: 23 - okay, now that you have that out of your system, can you suggest a book that further discusses how secession in the modern-era (post Civil War) might play out?


27 posted on 02/23/2022 7:22:12 AM PST by Fury
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To: SeekAndFind

Forget assurance.
I’d be happy to just see a vague indication!


28 posted on 02/23/2022 7:22:57 AM PST by Roccus (First we beat the Nazis........Then we defeated the Soviets....... Now, we are them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually the 2nd is about a well-regulated militia. Guns are only one of a variety of necessary equipment.

It is always about the people.


29 posted on 02/23/2022 7:23:04 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Bayard

War makes no sense if Democrats are about to be slaughtered in the next election.

You are seriously still thinking the GOP is the white horse coming to the rescue? People never learn and is why the country is almost gone.


30 posted on 02/23/2022 7:23:35 AM PST by cp124 (Living under medical tyranny. )
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To: SeekAndFind

The Thinker doesn’t think. The thesis the author puts out is that it is better to live in tyranny than fight because fighting would be hard.


31 posted on 02/23/2022 7:24:24 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of our founders said you’ll know when to use your guns when they come to take them. Sounds about right.

Also, it isn’t necessary to actually use them but the willingness to use them that will keep them in check.

“When the people fear the government you have tyranny, when the government fears the people you have liberty”

Right now the government doesn’t fear the people quite enough.

Another interesting saying is above the DOJ entrance, “Repression breeds tyranny”, the other entrance says, “When justice ends you have tyranny”

It’s easy to see we have no justice, thus tyranny. And we are being repressed, thus again tyranny.

I like this saying,

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to obtain or secure their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them”

Notice the about doesn’t say to use violence but the “willingness to use violence” as thew key


32 posted on 02/23/2022 7:24:27 AM PST by stockpirate (Where Justice Ends Tyranny Begins...Repression Breeds Violence)
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To: nonliberal

It is no longer just one or many red states against one or many blue states. Many states that are technically ‘blue’ are that way because of just a few immensely infested rat cities and/or counties. NY State is one. California is another. Georgia, and many, many others. Our rat infested cities are inextricably linked to red states and blue.

The only solution I see is forcing separation by states’ legislatures (where control is often in hands) and walling up the cities or make staying there untenable for its denizens (i.e., stop Section 8, EITC, SNAP, and other handouts) so they’ll up and leave to go north or wherever.


33 posted on 02/23/2022 7:24:53 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Bayard

“War makes no sense if Democrats are about to be slaughtered in the next election.”

The dems got slaughtered in 2020, but they learned to stuff the ballot boxes and steal the elections. That situation hasn’t changed.


34 posted on 02/23/2022 7:25:40 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: SeekAndFind

None, but it seems to me more difficult for the Rats to cheat in an off-year election. In 2020, all they had to do was stop counting in a few Democrat cities, then jam in the votes in the middle of the night. This time, it would take dozens if not hundreds of locales, to cheat, and they don’t know which places they need to do it.


35 posted on 02/23/2022 7:26:01 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A nation divided will not stand.............it will be all one or all the other.

There are advantages to being a united states. Our founding fathers set up a good system. Let’s keep it together and fight for the system they set up.


36 posted on 02/23/2022 7:26:26 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: nonliberal

The best case scenario would be peaceful dissolution like the USSR. But I fear a mega-Yugoslavia.


37 posted on 02/23/2022 7:27:18 AM PST by Salman (It's not a "slippery slope" if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: ClearCase_guy

The left would not hesitate long to attack any seceding States.


38 posted on 02/23/2022 7:27:46 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: central_va

Constitution?
The left don’t believe in no stinkin’ Constitution.


39 posted on 02/23/2022 7:28:14 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind
The only time for an armed revolution is when free elections stop working, and/or deep state is so entrenched, that the political process fails completely. You need a plan in case you win a revolution.

We've been hearing from commentators on the right that we will retake the house at the next elections. So what's the problem?

Well, I can think of a few. The biggest is our citizenry doesn't examine candidate character close enough, so we end up with uniparty RINO's instead of the conservatives we were promised.

Election integrity has taken a hit, but hopefully we are making some progress on rectifying that. Arizona set a good starting example on how to do a forensic audit. And they found a bunch of things that need to be corrected. Arizona and other states need to implement new legislation to close those holes.

40 posted on 02/23/2022 7:28:58 AM PST by DannyTN
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