Posted on 02/23/2022 7:10:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The internet isn't magic. If the products you order have to cross a dozen borders, some of them war zones, to get to you, it's going to take a toll on the economy.
Splitting fro the vile left wouldn’t mean masses dying of confusion and no sense of survival at all. Conservatives of all stripes were also instrumentsl,instruments, building this nation, and will,be again if we have to go in another direction by splitting up from thise who hate us.
Most of the country is either nonpolitical or doesn't think splitting up the country is a good idea. People who want to do that are a minority.
He seems to,think everyone Wil. Curl,into a ball and give up. Sorry, it never happened before, an wont happen again Either.
Splitting up the country isn't going to happen because most people don't want it. A lot of the country already is curled up on their sofas and doesn't think that dividing the country is any kind of great opportunity or challenge to rise to. At home and abroad there will be a sense that the American experiment has failed.
Does no one else see this was an obvious set-up to make Kirk look dangerous and discredit his group?
Right. The army comes in and resettles people from the cities in the sparsely populated rural counties. What does the map look like then?
I indeed hope we get a peaceful divorce but marxist hardly ever give up anything peacefully. I do think that the 2nd Amendment is the only reason Biden hasn’t pulled a Trudeau and he may try it still.
If three percent of gunowners rebel that is a heck of a lot of people to try and control and run an overseas empire.
I have to agree with Charlie...As long as we still need to ask, then it’s not time...The “let’s burn it all down and start over” crowd, misunderstand what’s involved in “starting over”...Once it’s gone, there’s no getting it back, ever...
Our country today is nothing like it was back then.
For starters, there was a "Mason-Dixon" line in CW1. Not necessary for a war of course, but it provided clarification for which side was which. WWI had several lines dividing the combatants. There would be nothing like that in a CW2.
More specifically, people wore uniforms in CW1. And those that didn't, stood near/with those that did to signify which side they were fighting for and then much of the time they would line up in the field and shoot at the opposing side. There would be nothing like that in a CW2.
There of course was a command structure in CW1. There is nothing even resembling that today. Try fighting a large-scale war without a clear command structure. Or...logistics.
Back then, although more crude by today's standard, communications were readily available. Of course, they could be intercepted/decoded, but communications weren't disabled. If a legit CW2 broke out today, take your cell phone, your tablet, your laptop, etc and toss them in the garbage disposal. Forget "social media," the telecoms would simply stop telecommunications to the public. How is everyone going to communicate? Do you really know which side every single person is within a few miles radius of you? Of course not.
During CW1, if 10 armed people showed up in front of your family home, you could readily tell friend from foe. Now, you wouldn't be able to. Do you shoot first, ask questions later?
Then there is money. In CW1, people who had money had access to it relatively without much trouble. Any CW2, take your credit cards and your ATM card and toss them in the garbage disposal with your electronic communications devices. How would people buy fuel/food/ammo/other supplies to wage this war? Steal it perhaps, even from those on the same side. And when those supplies run out after a few days/weeks, then what? During the times of CW1, most farms were family run and most people were fairly self-sufficient. Nothing close to that could be said today.
And, perhaps an even broader fact about our society today is that this country is truly "fat and lazy" and extremely dependent upon our modern luxury's.
There is any manor of entertainment that people can find to at least momentarily take their mind off their troubles, even now if they are willing to put up with local/company rules. People, if they choose, can go on a cruise on a massive ship to "exotic" destinations and eat like Kings and Queens and be entertained and massaged with hot stones and steamed towels. They can take their families to any number of amusement parks. They can go watch any number of sporting events. People can stream just released movies into their family rooms on their 50, 60, 100 inch, 4K, 8K flat screens at any time of the day for another example.
Now, the forms of entertainment are clearly different, but the "average" people in the U.S. of 2022 have orders of magnitude more options, and the capacity to do them (if they choose), then the people of the 1860's America.
We can all complain about the rising prices on everything, the point here is access and choices.
So long as you can heat or cool your house to whatever comfort level you'd like, with either the flick of a switch or with relative access and ease to fuel sources with your own personal wealth being the limiting factor...we haven't hit rock bottom.
So long as you can illuminate your house on demand, any time of the day/night, with the flick of a switch...we haven't hit rock bottom.
So long as you can drive your personal vehicle up to a gas pump (or charging station) and put fuel in your vehicle any time you want during the fuel station's operating hours...we haven't hit rock bottom.
So long as you can drive/bike/walk/public transportation to your local grocery store and pick and choose from shelves/refrigerators/freezers full of food and other items to replenish your home at any time you want so long as the store is open...we haven't hit rock bottom.
No, IMV, anything like a CW2, even if those non-trivial points were worked out, would get crushed by the power of various states and lastly by the feds. And the argument that there are more patriots with guns than the feds wouldn't ultimately hold up. Again, this is nothing like the 1860's. If it really got that bad, the feds could strafe your neighborhood from any manor of machine from above. Can you and your band do that to the feds? That's but a single example of the extreme superior advantage those in power would have.
Then there is talk of breaking up the country. Equally crazy but for different reasons.
We have become accustomed to the United States being able to deal with the rest of the world almost exclusively on our terms, using our dollar as the world's currency, etc and so forth.
We break apart this country, the "red" states would NOT be able to fill that power vacuum. Who steps into that void? The Chinese. And while Russia clearly has more nuclear weapons, Communist China would overnight become the world's lone superpower. Think they are a pain in our arse now? Ha! We ain't seen nothing yet. Short of a war/nuclear war with Russia, the communist in China would be able to do just about anything and everything they've ever dreamed of anywhere in the world. Like it or not is inconsequential, this is a globally connected world now so long as we all want our modern creature comforts.
How would life in the smaller/weaker breakaway red states be like with China literally running the world? What does it look like with Red China's Yuan with Chairman Mao's face on it, as the world's reserve currency? Think there are unfavorable trade conditions now? How is a smaller, weaker "red state" country going to do trading with the rest of the world, CCP included? How would that smaller, weaker new country prevent the CCP from moving as much military hardware as they'd like into Mexico?
The point of all this is NOT to say we should simply lay down and take it. Far from it. It's simply to point out that the "CW2" angle isn't realistic, and neither is breaking up into smaller and weaker countries, for numerous reasons (some of which were pointed out above.)
IMV, "our" side needs to refocus from trying to "fix" this from the top down. The feds, the national media, etc are just far too deeply corrupt to try and fix it with even a handful of politicians at that level. This also does NOT mean stop paying attention to who we put into office at the national level.
This is going to have to be a bottom up rescue. It may not be as sexy, and it certainly won't be as quick as most American's attention span (instant streaming, drive through meal), but this fight has to be won at the school board level, then local level, then the state level and finally the federal level. Depending on the location, some of that can be done simultaneously. For example, it's going to be "easier" to fix local and state level issues in the several 2020 Republican contested states, than say in New York, Illinois, Washington or once/occasionally red California.
Along the way, perhaps...just perhaps, the states could reassert more of their 10th Amendment power.
It may very well take a generation to get it done, but it's the only realistic way to keep our superpower, world influential, high-level standard of living, our currency dominated modern way of life intact. From the bottom up.
he should also have the guts to pull the purse strings
A statement full of solution to what ails us. IMHO State Legislatures and Governors are the solution to controlling the purse strings legally. Unfortunately we see scant willingness on their part to do anything to rock that boat.
Is it:
The United States “is”....?
Or,
The United States “are”....?
I think the latter. A union of sovereign states of free people. That’s how the fou ding documents read.
Of all the 50 states, Virginia is the most dependent upon Federal spending.
What difference does that make? NONE.
I’m not going to useful in a civil war. I cannot even get out of a chair quickly.
I better take a nap now.
It makes quite a bit of difference.
Virginia, without the Federal teat, would be a very different place.
If any state(s) secede then they will form a new federal govt and a new ( better ) constitution.
De facto, Confederates were free & independent in 1861 until they decided to wage war on the United States.
Big mistake.
More productive would be a guerilla war against THOSE WHO GIVE THE ORDERS. They should have "accidents" or just begin to disappear.
If we could destroy as few as half a dozen cities, we could take back our Republic.
After you get up, re-read Unintended Consequences by John Ross. His scenario makes a bit of of sense...
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