Emmerich Vattel disagrees.
Posted on 07/18/2021 11:18:02 PM PDT by conservative98
Sen. Ted Cruz hadn’t been an official contender for the presidency of the United States for 12 hours before the questions started coming, even in the warm and welcoming cradle of a primetime interview before what should be the friendliest of conservative audiences.
“You were born in Calgary, in Canada,” FOX News host Sean Hannity asked him, glancing into the camera for an apologetic chuckle. “Is there a birth certificate issue?”
It’s a question that’s lurked around the edges of Cruz’s political profile ever since the junior senator gained enough notoriety to be mentioned as a presidential candidate. Google searches for “Ted Cruz Canadian” spiked in October 2013 as he led Republicans towards a government shutdown; the query jumped again on Monday as he announced his White House run.
And some of it is friendly fire. Donald Trump, famed skeptic of prominent pols’ citizenship paperwork, didn’t resist the urge to tweak his fellow Republican on Monday night when making his own appearance on FOX’s primetime programming.
“I hope he knows what he's doing, but I thought you had to be born in the country,” he suggested to interviewer Megyn Kelly, adding that Cruz has “one extra level of complication” because of how long he maintained dual citizenship with both the United States and our kindly neighbors to the north.
Cruz is far from the first – or even the second – White House wannabe whose birthplace has launched quizzical headlines about his fitness to inhabit the White House. Even before the Obama “birther” movement, John McCain’s eligibility was questioned because he was born on a military base in the Panama Canal Zone.
Similar queries were made of Gov. George Romney (dad of Mitt and presidential contender in 1968), who was born in Mexico to U.S. citizen parents.
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He was born at Coco solo naval base. I've seen the doctor's signature on an admission page for his mother. Somewhere back in all the stuff i've written is links to that information.
There is a fake McCain birth certificate floating around, and it has been tracked back to the origin certificate it was photoshopped from. McCain did show his actual birth certificate to a reporter, and the reporter stated he had seen it, but McCain never released it to the public.
And I don't like John McCain and wish I had never voted for that greasy back stabber, but the issue with him was never where he was born.
And I think there is a good chance that this is correct. Obama is not even a citizen.
We can believe what we want, but try and convince a federal judge that all the laws and EOs that Caliph Baraq signed are void because of his status...
That countries law cannot change where a person was born or the parents to whom they were born. Nothing can change that and your argument dies right there. So a country bestowing citizenship on an American Citizen is meaningless in the United States. It does not change where they were born and it does not change their parents. They could bestow deity status and it means nothing.
You are being just like the liberals. Things aren't the way you want them to be so you want to change the meaning of the language to suit your desire. You want citizenship by birth to mean something other than where you were born and to whom you were born. You want it to include whatever some other country decides. Obviously the founders would not have agreed.
Which is why both applied for Canadian citizenship.
Which is why I lost all respect for Mark Levin as a constitutional conservative.
Minor correction, at the time of the founding citizenship came from the father. The mother could not confer citizenship since she automatically assumed the citizenship of her husband once she said "I do". So in the eyes of the founders Cruz is a Cuban. The naturalization laws of the early 1900 allowed him to be a naturalized US citizen but as best I can tell neither he nor his mom ever filled out the paper work. (Consular Report of Birth Abroad). So technically, sans a CRBA, Cruz is not even a US citizen.
It is also true. Children born abroad to US military are not NBC of the USA except in certain circumstances. See John McCain.
I actually disagree with this, but I am not overly troubled by the irrationality of it.
If my child was born in a Military Hospital while I served overseas then there ought not properly be a penalty depriving them of Natural Born Citizenship. The notion that there is a deprivation of Citizen’s option because of service to the Nation is patently absurd.
I am not greatly troubled by this incredibly foolish logic as my offspring are unlikely to ever run for any public office. Still, it is fundamentally stupid on its face.
As a matter of fact, my child was born in an overseas Military Hospital while I served. Who could ever justify such a stupid policy or interpretation of the rules regarding Natural Born Citizenship?It is an absolutely stupid concept.
I agree with everything you said.
The concept is not there to deprive any citizen of NBC status. It's there to protect the country from foreign influence therefore the office of the Presidency is not an equal opportunity job. Some American citizens are born abroad for various reasons beyond their control and the reality is we still have many people who meet the qualification. There is no reason to take any chances. In a nutshell if you are an American citizen and for what ever reason your parents were unable to be on American soil at the time of birth it's just tough beans. You can be anything but the President of the United States.
“You are being just like the liberals.”
You are mistaken as to what a sovereign country can do as to its own NATURALIZATION laws.
Drop the Luxembourg discussion if you find it so disgusting. Consider the three-way split that is Ted Cruz. Is he a Natural Born Citizen of even one of the three countries Canada, U.S. and Cuba? If one, which one and why? If one, why not two? If two, why not all three?
“He was born at Coco solo naval base. I’ve seen the doctor’s signature on an admission page for his mother.”
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The birth may have been formally acknowledged there as a matter of course, but the evidence does necessarily not shoW that the birth took place there.
Besides, I also said this: Regardless, he would have failed the Born on U.S. Soil requirement of the NBC test whether he were born on a U.S. military base, born in the PCZ, or otherwise. We weren’t at war in the region (invading army exception) and his father wasn’t a U.S. Ambassador (diplomatic exception).
NBC is derived from the Law of Nations and the Natural Law. The founders would not have claimed McCain as a Natural Born U.S. citizen. A child of a U.S. Ambassador to Panama? Yes. A child of an invading and hostile and occupying U.S. force subjugating Panama? Yes. But a child of an Admiral performing a routine role in peacetime under an agreement between U.S. and Panama? No. It turns out his case did not even fall under U.S. naturalization laws at the time so he technically didn’t even merit recognition as “citizen” for a while after his birth. A specific retroactive naturaluzation law had to be passed to clean up the problem.
“In a nutshell if you are an American citizen and for what ever reason your parents were unable to be on American soil at the time of birth it’s just tough beans. You can be anything but the President of the United States.”
Thank you for thus. Yes, tough beans, with the exception of the child of a Sovereign Ambassador, or the child of an invading and hostile member of the U.S. military. That’s about it.
To those “experts”, everyone born anywhere in the world is an NBC of the U.S. Unless both of their parents were not U.S. citizens.
That might be the makings of the broadest possible naturalization law but it certainly can’t be a functional NBC definition. Where is the security in such an NBC definition if we are looking to avoid the potential for foreign loyalty in our top executive?
Emmerich Vattel disagrees.
I did ask you what year it was that Congress allowed women to transfer citizenship to their children who were born in foreign countries. I'm thinking you did not know that it required an actual law passed by congress to make this happen.
The first law that allowed women to transfer citizenship was the "Cable act of 1922."
Prior to that, women were not allowed to pass on citizenship to their children if their children were born in a foreign country.
So you agree, at least, that if McCain was born at Colon Hospital, Colon, Panama, instead of on Coco Solo Naval Station, Vattel would not consider him an NBC?
In the Armies of the State means in an occupying armY AFAIK.
I think that what Vattel is saying is that if a man is serving in the armies of his nation, it does not matter at all where his children are born.
What is your opinion about the child of a diplomat not the Ambassador?
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