Posted on 01/25/2021 2:32:18 PM PST by Hojczyk
A Trump third party could provoke a pivotal realignment in American politics. With the support of 46% of registered voters in the new poll, Democrats would reap the benefits of a fractured opposition and entrench themselves as the nation's dominant party — even without majority support.
Among "very conservative" voters — who make up a disproportionately large bloc within the Republican primary electorate — a Trump Patriot Party crushes the GOP 55%-24%.
Should Trump remain in the GOP, his wide lead among these highly motivated voters affords him great leverage to influence the direction of the party by wielding the threat of conservative primary challenges against establishment Republicans ill at ease with the former president's combative brew of conservatism infused with populism and nationalism.
(Excerpt) Read more at justthenews.com ...
“Divide and conquer. We would never win again.”
The Whig Party was founded in 1833. In the 1836 election the Whigs defused their strength by failing to unite behind one candidate, running four against Martin Van Buren:
Van Buren - Democrat - 50.8% popular vote, 170 electoral votes
Harrison - Whig - 36.8% popular vote, 73 electoral votes
White - Whig - 9.7% popular vote, 26 electoral votes
Webster - Whig - 2.7 popular vote, 14 electoral votes
Mangum - Whig - 0% popular vote, 11 electoral votes
In the 1840 election, the second in which the Whig party participated, it won the presidential election:
Harrison - Whig - 52.9% of the popular vote, 234 electoral votes
Van Buren - Democrat - 46.8% of the popular vote, 60 electoral votes
The Republican Party was founded in 1854. In the presidential election of 1856 the vote tally was:
Buchanan - Democrat - 45.3% popular vote, 174 electoral votes
Fremont - Republican - 33.1% popular vote, 114 electoral votes
Fillmore - Know Nothing - 21.5% popular vote, 8 electoral votes
In the election of 1860 the vote tally was:
Lincoln - Republican -39.8% popular vote, 180 electoral votes
Breckenridge - Southern Democrat - 18.1% popular vote, 72 electoral votes
Bell - Constitutional Union - 12.6% popular vote, 39 electoral votes
Douglas - Democrat - 29.5% popular vote, 12 electoral votes
Twice in US history has a new party been created, survived defeat its first time out, and elected a president in its second attempt.
What about Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose and Ross Perot’s Reform parties? In both instances they were 100% built around one candidate for the purpose of a presidential election. Unlike the Whig and Republican parties of the 1800’s there was no sustained grassroots effort to run tickets at state and local levels. To build a party for the long term it needs to be competitive in local, state and Congressional races over multiple election cycles. This means it must have purpose other than supporting one candidate for president. A unifying philosophy differentiating itself from the other major parties and a large segment of the population supporting that philosophy.
Consider where we are today. The Democrat Party has fully embraced socialist economics and the subjugation of individuals to the centralized state. The Republican Party is a social club generally supporting big government and large international corporate interests. It really has no political philosophy or core convictions. The philosophy of the founding fathers, individual liberty and limited government, is not represented by either party. Since the 1960’s, believers in the founding principles have voted Republican as the “least worst” of two bad alternatives and because the Republicans have given lip service to being “conservative”.
Likely the nation’s electorate is about 40% big welfare state socialists, 40-45% believers in founding principles, and 15-20% indifferent to how they are governed. After six decades of supporting the GOP, Donald Trump has clearly demonstrated the Republican Party establishment has disdain for its voter base and will turn its back on the voter base in favor of the corporate interests who fund it. The Republican Party and most of its politicians have no attachment to “conservative” principles and no loyalty to the voters. They truly take conservative voters for granted knowing they have no where else to turn.
The choice for the 40-45% believing in individual liberty are:
1) Continue to support the GOP as the least of two evils. The results are predictable. The GOP will give window dressing opposition to the Democrats but will do nothing meaningful to thwart the increasingly tyrannical power of the federal leviathan. Republican politicians will run as “conservatives” in elections then once in office become administrators of special favors for big corporate donors and international interests.
2) Form a new political party, run candidates at all levels, and stick with it over several election cycles. Be prepared to lose the first time out, make gains the second time out. Do the hard work at the local level to rally people. If enough people truly believe in the underlying principles they will rally to the cause when they see the movement has legs over multiple election cycles.
3) Submit to the big state. Focus on family life, personal business interests, and religion.
4) Resist the big state on an individual basis and be crushed.
So in the 2024 Election that would mean 538 Electoral Votes for the creature (presumably a biped) that the Rats nominate.
I repeat.
1. Find your candidate.
2, Trump endorses him/her.
3. We all, including Trump, heavily fund the candidate.
4. In the Republican Primary the Trump/Patriot candidate defeats the Karl Rove candidate.
5, Our Republican, not Karl Rove’s, defeats the Democrat in the General election.
That is a straightforward approach to clearing out the anti-Trump scum and you do not have to worry about splitting the vote and handing the election to the Dummies.
And, a far as we know at this point, that is the path that Trump will take. I will be shocked if he decides to try to replace the Party of Lincoln. It seems clear to me that his intent is to get the GOP back on the right track by reforming it. That is a long process but he is the one to lead it. I think he is doing so now and will continue to do so over several years.
Before he does that, he’d better get his —— together and work on election/voter fraud. All the endorsements and money in the world will do nothing to overcome massive cheating by RATs.
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It’s hard to disagree with that. I get lectured daily on your point by my wife. I am more optimistic than she is. Here is what I think we should do to overcome and limit the election fraud:
1. Keep pounding on the fact that the election was stolen. No let bygones be bygones allowed. On Steve Bannon’s War Room this very morning it was proposed that agreement that the view that the election was stolen should be a fundamental filter that we apply to GOP candidates. The goal here is to move opinion in our direction. We want our candidates to run on that platform.
2. Work at the state level in GOP controlled states to reform the voting laws and vote counting procedures and safeguards. As the public becomes more and more aware of the election fraud the pressure for reform will increase. We have 2 years before the next election. That’s enough time. We can do it.
Bottom line: I have faith the American people (some of whom are Democrats) are not just going to stand by and watch their freedoms stolen from them by fraudulent elections.
You can't possibly believe that, can you?
There are tons of minorities, college students, millenials, urban elites, government workers, etc., who lean left. They tend to live in densely populated areas, which means there are a lot of them.
Look at all the elections on the state and local level, even in red states, going back decades. The idea that folks who vote Democrat only constitute 20% of the population is simply ludicrous.
Mitt was right about the 47%, and it will only increase with time.
That being said, Democrats have an absolute baseline of 40-45% or so of national voters who vote their way regardless.
We don’t have to wake anyone.
We have to destroy the Establishment Republicans and force them to publicly acknowledge who they really are, Centrist Democrats. The old Blue Dog Democrats from the South. But, Dem’s just the same.
Let them run against their own kind.
I’m shocked it’s not more.
Exactly!! A fresh, new, diverse Patriot party to represent ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS!!
“Sticking with Republican butt boys is a poor idea too.”
Hey, you do you.
But I aim to take over the Republican Party, just as Trump said is the plan. He completely rejected the Patriot Party BS.
Unfortunately, this would condemn the Patriot Party and the GOP to oblivion.
It’s not going to happen.
Probably not but we could improve by exchanging a Toomey global corporatist for a Tulsi. The really important issues IMHO are freedom, Bill of Rights, enforced borders, sovereignty and not globalism, banning political discrimination by big tech, universities and corporate interests and replace the racist obsession with racial equity with equality.
So, not just a weekend project then?
Seriously — thanks for the info.
Follow-up question/observation.
The Electoral College doesn’t seem to be adding anything these days, given that its vote doesn’t change election outcomes.
However, if there were a 3-party election, and no clear (50% +1) winner — then the electoral college could be critical. If the election resulted in Party ‘A’ getting (say) 45% of the Electors, ‘B’ 30% and ‘C’ 25% — then, wouldn’t the Electoral College determine the final winner? There would be a contentious meeting, and lots of horse trading, and even Party ‘C’ could wind up being the winner (perhaps being the compromise candidate). Is that a reasonable scenario?
Oddly I don’t have mixed feeling as to whether I’d like to see 350 democrats elected to the House.
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You just lost your freedom bub. And just like it was part of a plan.
We are still in control of many things and still have some freedoms. (and responsibilities).
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