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Andrew Cuomo Explains Placing Wuhan Patients in Nursing Home Deaths by Saying ‘Old People Die, That Is Going to Happen’
RedState ^ | May 17, 2020 | streiff

Posted on 05/17/2020 6:28:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs

One of the great tragedies, among many, of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s attempt to use the Wuhan virus as a way of getting federal dollars to fill an $6 billion in his state budget was his decision that nursing home residents were expendable.

In March, as Cuomo and his braintrust were running about like beheaded chickens shouting about models and Italy, his administration issued an order that required nursing homes to accept hospital patients recovering from Wuhan virus even if those patients were still contagious. The ostensible reason was moving recovering patients to nursing homes freed up hospital beds to treat the Wuhan created carnage. The problem, of course, was that a) there was no great influx of patients, b) nursing homes, already struggling with problems related to infections, were monumentally unsuited to caring for possibly contagious patients, and c) nursing homes are packed with the most vulnerable of the vulnerable. When challenged, this is how Cuomo responded:

But in New York, the controversy over the mandate has escalated as the virus has battered hospitals and nursing homes alike: The state not only has more coronavirus cases than anywhere in the country, but also the highest number of known long-term care deaths — at least 3,500 — related to the virus, according to the state health department. A broad swath of nursing homes across the state have already accepted COVID-positive hospital patients in compliance with the mandate, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo has openly criticized facilities for opposing it.

“They don’t have a right to object. That is the rule and that is the regulation, and they have to comply with that,” Cuomo, a Democrat, said in a Thursday news conference. “If they can’t do it, we’ll put them in a facility that can do it.”

With one order, Cuomo turned places of refuge and healing into death camps. So, in a backhanded sort of way, Cuomo was absolutely correct when he proclaimed “God did not do that…That’s how it works. It’s math.” The slaughter in New York’s nursing homes was not an act of God, it was a cold-blooded calculation that the beds occupied by the people in nursing homes were more valuable if the current user was dead. At the same time, to tamp down the scandal, New York has been counting nursing home patients who die in hospitals, like after they were sent there when contracting Wuhan under Cuomo’s policy, as hospital deaths rather than nursing home deaths as they did in the past. This has caused a call for investigation into the policy and outcomes. See these two posts by my colleague Nick Arama for more details:

Yikes: New York Admits They Have Been Deliberately Undercounting Nursing Home Deaths

Janice Dean, Elise Stefanik Call for Investigation into New Scandal of How New York Undercounted Nursing Home Deaths

Today, in Cuomo’s press conference, he was challenged on his decision to sacrifice the elderly and the sick on the altar of a model of the progress of the virus that has been proven unreliable at every stage of the way. The video is cued to the exchange below

Q. What do you say to families inside of nursing homes and they are looking for accountability? They would like to see justice. For example, I just interviewed a family of three siblings. They’ve had two nursing home losses within a few weeks of one another on two separate floors of the same facility here in Albany. They felt so much solace when you got up and talked about Matilda’s Law. They said, “great, we’re protected,” our loved ones are going to be okay because of Matilda’s Law. And then their loved ones passed away because they couldn’t get the testing. So they are looking for accountability and they feel that they were failed. What’s the comment to that?

CUOMO: Yeah. The comment is this, and I have those conversations all day long, with people who’ve lost people, right? We lost 139 people yesterday in hospitals. Who is accountable for those 139 deaths? How do we get justice for those families who had 139 deaths? What is justice? Who can we prosecute for those deaths? Nobody. Nobody. Mother Nature? God? Where did this virus come from? People are going to die by this virus. That is the truth. Best hospital system on the globe, I believe we have. Best doctors, best nurses, who have responded like heroes. Every medication, ventilators, the health system wants for nothing. We worked it out so we always had available beds. No one was deprived of a medical bed or coverage in any way. And still people died. Still people died. Older people, vulnerable people, are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen. Despite whatever you do. Because with all of our progress as a society, we can’t keep everyone alive. Despite everything you do. And older people are more vulnerable. And that is a fact and that is not going to change…Why do people die? Who is accountablie?….

Q. [Inaudible] feel that if the mandates were currently in place right now, that we’ve all been talking about in here, were in place from the get-go, they feel that their loved ones might still be here.

CUOMO: I don’t…look people rationalize death in different ways. I don’t think there is any logical rationale to say they would be alive today….

There are several points to be made about the issue and Cuomo’s response.

First, there was never any logical reason for forcing contagious Wuhan patients into nursing homes particularly given the skill, staffing, and sanitation issues that are well documented. This was especially true when the cavernous Javits Center was not used and when it became glaringly obvious that the massive rush of Wuhan sufferers to hospitals was not going to take place. At best the policy was just stupid and ill-considered. At its worst it amounted to a premeditated decision to let the most vulnerable just die.

Second, the question is not an abstract ‘what is the meaning of life’ question that philosophers ponder. It wasn’t why do some people die despite having the best of care. It was one of holding to account the people who decided that putting the most vulnerable needlessly at risk instead of taking positive actions to protect them.

While it may be true that older and medically compromised people are more at risk of dying, what does not flow from that observation is that it was wise or moral to put them at needless risk for the sake of responding to an ephemeral threat.

I think Cuomo’s laissez-faire attitude is not just a gaffe, it is the policy of the state of New York that if you are old or sick that they will cheerfully kill you to make a political point.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: sickoflibs

Digging his grave deeper and deeper.


21 posted on 05/17/2020 6:55:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer (~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: sickoflibs

Sounds like the majority of cards Cuomo will get when his Mama checks out.


22 posted on 05/17/2020 6:56:38 PM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: sickoflibs

When was the last time you heard a policy wonk or economist fret about the “pending Social Security ‘crisis’” or the “threat to Medicare”?

[[[crickets]]]

The WuFlu has provided a Final Solution.


23 posted on 05/17/2020 6:58:01 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

Ouch, I’m 73 and have three of the high risk maladies. Maybe the death panels will catch up to me.


24 posted on 05/17/2020 6:59:02 PM PDT by stuckincali
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To: sickoflibs

In the part of Texas I came from, if you walk around saying things like that, the intended target sometimes got the same idea about you.


25 posted on 05/17/2020 6:59:09 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: nickcarraway
I was going to reply to this post but since you’ve been banned, it would be sort of pointless.


26 posted on 05/17/2020 7:00:54 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: sickoflibs

The political left, like Islam, is a death cult. They like to play God.


27 posted on 05/17/2020 7:02:35 PM PDT by datura
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To: sickoflibs

Just imagine for one second If President Trump had said the exact same thing that Cuomo just said..what the reaction of the commie media would be..they would call him a monster but since it’s Cuomo and he’s a Dem it’s all good not a peep


28 posted on 05/17/2020 7:05:08 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: clearcarbon
This headline is fake. Cuomo danced around it and refused to really answer the core question: what do you say to people who lost loved ones due to these regulations that YOUR administration forced on their institutions? Instead he started waxing poetic about the meaning of death, and what is justice anyway and can anyone ever really be accountable, and thankfully though there will be losses we are strong. next question. He wants this issues to go away but people who lost their parents aren't going to accept that their loss can be waved off through a debate on philosophy.
29 posted on 05/17/2020 7:05:13 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: clearcarbon

Cuomo gets a two-fer.

Get to kill off old folks (more likely conservative) and kill the Trump Economy.


30 posted on 05/17/2020 7:05:53 PM PDT by Kenny Bania (Ovaltine? Why not call it Roundtine?)
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To: WWG1WWA

Since science fiction stories, the urge to save money by pulling the ventilator system plug on patients declared unresponsive, then the Obama setup of Obamacare, onward to today’s coldhearted Cuomo and Bernie types the question of the financial bottom line comes up in socialist systems:

Due to their high cost to the national healthcare system , how many older people can we afford to be allowed to live?


31 posted on 05/17/2020 7:06:14 PM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud,harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: WWG1WWA

Yesterday, someone had posted a article about this issue on one of the local community FB groups.

Most people who responded were as horrified as we are, however two people who claim to be nurses one of which claimed to work at a NH said it wouldn’t have made a difference as said homes probably already had CCPVirus positive patients. They further tried to justify how it would be inhumane in some perverted way to move out positive cases and keep out new ones as the “hero” nurses are like family to them and it would be bad for their health to go to a different facility better suited for CCPVirus treatment.

I am so grateful that when I had relatives in a NH, we had enough family nearby to check on them almost daily. They even knew which nurses were the good ones and which had the inflated egos of “I’m a hero nurse saving lives.”


32 posted on 05/17/2020 7:06:51 PM PDT by matt04
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To: DesertRhino
RE:”In the part of Texas I came from, if you walk around saying things like that, the intended target sometimes got the same idea about you.”

Ah Texas, I loved following the Shelly Luther story.
A true American hero.

MSNBC has been telling their audience that Biden will flip Texas in November.

33 posted on 05/17/2020 7:07:58 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Wear your face homemade coverings (not a N95 please) when you zoom into work to show you care.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


34 posted on 05/17/2020 7:09:06 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Sarah Barracuda
RE:”Just imagine for one second If President Trump had said the exact same thing that Cuomo just said..what the reaction of the commie media would be..they would call him a monster but since it’s Cuomo and he’s a Dem it’s all good not a peep”

I couldn't have wrote it better.

My exact thoughts.

35 posted on 05/17/2020 7:09:36 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Wear your face homemade coverings (not a N95 please) when you zoom into work to show you care.)
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To: Tawiskaro

That guy looks like Dracula!


36 posted on 05/17/2020 7:09:39 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Rurudyne
.... don’t send the sick to be closed in with no escape with the vulnerable.

Imagine being trapped at such a place and being told they are forcing in some probably contagious people but you cannot leave. For a painful disease that causes victims to strain to breathe. How chilling.

And our country has come to that by Dems voting for Cuomo types. Dems are guilty.

37 posted on 05/17/2020 7:11:43 PM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud,harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: SpaceBar

Nazis believed in Mercy killing too.


38 posted on 05/17/2020 7:12:09 PM PDT by cnsmom
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To: beethovenfan

Count Cuomula and Blasferatu.


39 posted on 05/17/2020 7:12:28 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Caveat Emperor)
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To: sickoflibs

Liberals don’t value life unless it’s their own.


40 posted on 05/17/2020 7:16:13 PM PDT by boycott
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