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Queen Elizabeth approves law seeking to block October 31 no-deal Brexit
Reuters ^ | Sept. 9, 2019 | William James

Posted on 09/09/2019 8:51:24 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s Queen Elizabeth on Monday gave final approval to a piece of legislation which seeks to prevent Prime Minister Boris Johnson from taking the country out of the European Union without an exit deal on Oct. 31.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: borisjohnson; brexit; brexitparty; europeanunion; nato; nigelfarage; queenelizabeth; queenelizabethii; unitedkingdom
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To: Lurking Libertarian

The last time a British monarch vetoed a bill was, I believe, in 1707. So this whole Queen-signing thing is just theater.


21 posted on 09/09/2019 9:19:45 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

To: Lurking Libertarian
“So, Boris is either going to betray Brexit, or he’s going to break the law and set a terrible precedent for the future. What an idiot. I thought he’d have used the Royal Prerogative to block the bill. Guess I’ll be voting Brexit Party when the election finally does happen.”

Pearl clutch much? The leftists are not playing by any rulebook besides ‘Rules ifor Radicals’ and the ‘Communist Manifesto’ yet you insist that we follows the rules and put our heads on the chopping block. Sad


22 posted on 09/09/2019 9:19:59 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Freeper formerly known as WMarshal.......)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

This just shows I am no good at predicting... I was one that thought she would not approve.


23 posted on 09/09/2019 9:20:20 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: Olog-hai

William, Harry and their father all lean left for sure.


24 posted on 09/09/2019 9:20:26 AM PDT by caww
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To: Olog-hai

William, Harry and their father all lean left for sure.


25 posted on 09/09/2019 9:20:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: Leaning Right

The last time a British monarch vetoed a bill was, I believe, in 1707. So this whole Queen-signing thing is just theater.

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You’re right.


26 posted on 09/09/2019 9:21:36 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
While I have no understanding of the mystery of British lawmaking, this seems like a catch 22 now. The people voted for Brexit as prescribed by parliament. The PM could not get a 'deal' worked out with the EU, so the EU charter invoked its article for the departure. The parliament has now voted not to allow a no-Brexit departure, but the EU has stated no extensions. Talk about SNAFU...


27 posted on 09/09/2019 9:26:58 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: vikingd00d

It’s just hard to imagine them having the nerve to stop it after a second vote. But....


28 posted on 09/09/2019 9:29:18 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: AU72

Well, 1701 wasn’t that long a time since 1649, when Charles I lost his head over taking on Parliament.

Very risky...


29 posted on 09/09/2019 9:32:48 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: rigelkentaurus
OK - so Boris is required, by law, to request an extension from the EU, many of which are on record as being disinclined, such an extension.

I think it's unclear whether there is any way for Parliament to enforce that -- he can just not request it, and I'm not sure what they could do about it. Alternatively, he could just say to the EU "I am required by law to make a request, but I'm now going to tell you all the reasons you shouldn't grant it, and how I'm going to make life a living hell for the EU if you do."

I don't think the EU will have the required unanimity for an extension is Boris himself opposes it.

30 posted on 09/09/2019 9:41:22 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: CIB-173RDABN

> I was one that thought she would not approve. <

The British monarch does not have the same freedom to veto as does the US President. When a US president vetoes a bill, it’s no big deal. It’s just an expected part of the job.

But when a British monarch vetoes a bill, it’s a big deal. A really big deal. It’s considered a slap in the face to Parliament, and an overreach. That’s why it hasn’t been done since 1707.

So why have that power if it really can’t be used? Maybe an expert will correct me here. Tradition aside, I guess a monarch’s veto would be a check against some prime minister who wanted to be a dictator.

(Although it must be noted that the Italian king had reserve powers. But he did nothing to stop Mussolini.)


31 posted on 09/09/2019 9:41:30 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Leaning Right

“..(Although it must be noted that the Italian king had reserve powers. But he did nothing to stop Mussolini.)...”

Probably because he knew that public opinion was on Benny the Moose’s side. He did fire the Moose when the Allies invaded. Again because he knew opinion had turned and he was trying to ingratiate himself to the Allies.

Here the Queen likely has public opinion on her side. So it would the Monarch during its constitutional duty of protecting the public from the excesses of Parliament.


32 posted on 09/09/2019 9:50:25 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Leaning Right

King Vittorio Emanuele III was monarch of Italy until 1947 but Mussolini called all the shots.

A joke at the time had Musso telling the King, “if you don’t sign my decrees I’ll remove your portrait from all the sardine cans!”


33 posted on 09/09/2019 10:07:54 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: buckalfa

Wow! I glad we left when we did!


34 posted on 09/09/2019 10:13:15 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GreyFriar; Lurking Libertarian; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Cronos; AuH2ORepublican
>> to the Queen or could advise her to veto it. It looks like things don't work that way in the U.K. <<

>> I was hoping that Boris would convince her not to sign it. <<

The last time a monarch actually "vetoed" a bill in the UK was in the early 1800s. Although she still has those powers on paper, the office is purely ceremonial now. If she were to exercise her "powers" in modern government, the result would be national outrage and likely re-ignite the debate to abolish the monarchy.

It's similar to how state governments in the USA technically retain the power to establish a statewide "official church", since the Establishment Clause in the U.S. Constitution only applies to the federal government. No state has exercised this "power" since the 1830s. It would be "problematic" if say, the Utah legislature declared the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be the "Official State Religion" of Utah and decreed in the Utah State Constitution that they get special rights and privileges in government.

35 posted on 09/09/2019 10:14:24 AM PDT by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact)
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To: rigelkentaurus

Italy, Poland or Hungary do not want to be blamed by the British people when things go belly up after the UK crashes out on Halloween. They won’t veto.

France might.


36 posted on 09/09/2019 10:23:38 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Brexit is never going to happen. Globalism wins.


37 posted on 09/09/2019 10:25:16 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Leaning Right; GreyFriar; Lurking Libertarian; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Cronos; AuH2ORepublican
>> So why have that power if it really can’t be used? Maybe an expert will correct me here. <<

A lot of countries have "powers" that exist on paper but are never used in real life. I'll give another example in our own government: the third amendment of the U.S. Constitution bans the government from quartering troops in people's homes during PEACE time. It explicitly says they MAY do so during a time of war "in a manner to be prescribed by law" , so it would be perfectly Constitutional for the U.S. Congress to pass laws DURING major wars authorizing U.S. military personal to show up at your home and demand you give them room and board for whatever duration they need.

Of course, the U.S. Congress is NEVER going to "exercise" this "power". Modern military situations have made it totally obsolete, and there would be national outrage if Congress told Americans they have to provide free food and sleeping accommodations for any active military personnel who need it due to a war happening, for example post 9/11.

38 posted on 09/09/2019 10:29:57 AM PDT by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact)
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To: gibsonguy; GreyFriar

There is no time for a second referendum and no guarantees either. What will happen now is one of two things

1. Delay tactics by boris followed by a Halloween crash out no deal

Or

2. Boris will come back with the Theresa May plan plus northern Ireland in a backstop (not the whole UK), get it approved by parliament and leave with may deal 2.0 and he’ll be acclaimed a hero for delivering Brexit


39 posted on 09/09/2019 10:30:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

I think your second option is the most likely. The British people voted for Brexit, but all the pro-Brexit campaigners assured the voters there would be a deal. I think a majority of voters are now opposed to a no-deal Brexit, because of fears of re-igniting violence in Northern Island.


40 posted on 09/09/2019 10:38:44 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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