Posted on 03/07/2017 7:59:07 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
FACT: ObamaCare was passed, using the original legislative vehicle, at 1:38am on 12/23/09 with 60 votes in the Senate. The House then approved that Senate Bill without changes; and in February 2010 created a secondary bill which created the opportunity for the Senate to modify ObamaCare using reconciliation for a lower vote threshold of 51 votes.
[Understand the full construct by reading HERE] If you do not understand how legislation is created; if you do not understand the difference between the Senate and House; if you do not understand the way ObamaCare was created, you really need to read this first.
A clean repeal bill, meaning a law to repeal the entire ObamaCare construct only, would require another 60 vote hurdle in the Senate.
Republicans, while in the majority, only control 52 seats. Without 8 Democrats voting to approve a repeal bill, any House (Or Senate) bill that repeals ObamaCare cannot pass the Senate.
This is why Mark Levin is a con-man; selling snake oil as outrage to keep a listening audience angry, yet clueless and hopeless. Thats what I dont like.
A complete repeal of ObamaCare is currently impossible. The House Freedom Caucus can push all the repeal bills they want, but they cannot get a repeal bill through the Senate because they cannot get the 60 votes needed. Period.
A complete independent repeal bill of ObamaCare is currently impossible.
(Excerpt) Read more at theconservativetreehouse.com ...
No it's not because healthcare costs are completely unsustainable.
Either we have single-payer, or it should crash and burn and market forces take over.
Many of you want to kick the can down the road and buy into this ridiculous, asinine notion that Republicans need to "repair" Obamacare so the media/Dems won't call them meanies.
I prefer a clean repeal bill, passed according to the Constitution. So what if we don't have 60 votes? Then run in 2018 and tell the people how Obamacare is still killing the healthcare industry. The Dems fingerprints will still be on it. Why would you want Republicans fingerprints on it?
Oops meant lose the Presidency. And the newly appoint Secretary shall decide.
I three different threads today I have been in agreement that whatever gets produced, the media will make it Trump’s. The idea of doing nothing for two years is almost equally disgusting.
the bill is a tax (scotus said so) and was created in reconciliation which required 51 votes. my take is if it was created in reconciliation it can be repealed in reconciliation. pubs are just stupid.
Concur; I trust President Donald Trump and Vice President Michael Pence to lead us in waves.
Yes, technically, but I’ve seen examples of filibuster by unlimited debate (the old ‘Jimmy Stewart style’) in the very early Senate. I consider whatever the Founders did as ‘prima facie’ “Constitutional”.
Didn’t save them but will look out for them again since the subject will be ‘hot’.
"In the past few years, the House has voted more than 60 times to repeal or alter Obamacare, but Republicans had no hope a repeal would become law as long as Obama was president and could veto their bills."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obamacare-idUSKBN14X1SK
I'm not terribly upset about what was rolled out today because I understand that this is a political process. I really believe both houses are going to end up passing versions of a bill that gets a lot of Democrat support -- mainly because nobody in reasonably good health can afford their 2017 premiums anyway and ObamaCare is basically dead for all intents and purposes.
“Thats self-defeating because it kills the possibility of real change down the road.”
There won’t be *any* improvements down the road. GOPe does NOT want a market-based health care system, period.
“...In 2018, the GOP can go to the voters, give us a Senate supermajority to finish the job.”
When has the GOP *ever* done anything like this??
“...But you dont put the horse before the cart. If conservatives cant support incremental repeal, then Obamacare will stay with us.”
This is a step backwards, not incremental repeal.
i think the three phases is bs. the entire bill was passed in recon and has been declared a tax by scotus. go to recon and repeal this tax bill.
This is forever, HELL NO!
Still, it was a good analysis. I’ll need to read it again.
How then have they got a repeal bill to Obama’s desk multiple times for him to veto.
BS
Like I said - just have a simple repeal vote and let the chips fall where they may be. There should be no pressure on Republicans to fix or repair Obamacare, since none of them didn't vote for it.
Bingo!
So now that you know that those were Sundance’s words, they are no longer a great summary?
You are so correct this is EXCUSE #5136, I am so DIGUSTED I AM DONE with these BASTARDS, I have voted for my LAST TIME!!! Phase 2&3 will NEVER SEE the light of day it is just an extension to get these BASTARDS elected AGAIN in 2018!!! THEN we will get ANOTHER excuse!!! NO MORE FOR ME!!!
I am going to vote them down, that’s for sure.
I am going to reregister third party, this is the last straw.
REPEAL EVERY WORD OF IT, if they can pass the same words after the fact, so be it!
Don’t tell us we need to do anything else!
It is 50, no BS, we have had complete repeal on Obama’s desk multiple times and he vetoed it.
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