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Posted on 03/07/2017 7:59:07 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
FACT: ObamaCare was passed, using the original legislative vehicle, at 1:38am on 12/23/09 with 60 votes in the Senate. The House then approved that Senate Bill without changes; and in February 2010 created a secondary bill which created the opportunity for the Senate to modify ObamaCare using “reconciliation” for a lower vote threshold of 51 votes.
[Understand the full construct by reading HERE] If you do not understand how legislation is created; if you do not understand the difference between the Senate and House; if you do not understand the way ObamaCare was created, you really need to read this first.
A clean repeal bill, meaning a law to repeal the entire ObamaCare construct only, would require another 60 vote hurdle in the Senate.
Republicans, while in the majority, only control 52 seats. Without 8 Democrats voting to approve a “repeal bill”, any House (Or Senate) bill that repeals ObamaCare cannot pass the Senate.
This is why Mark Levin is a con-man; selling snake oil as outrage to keep a listening audience angry, yet clueless and hopeless. That’s what I don’t like.
A complete repeal of ObamaCare is currently impossible. The House Freedom Caucus can push all the repeal bills they want, but they cannot get a repeal bill through the Senate because they cannot get the 60 votes needed. Period.
A complete independent repeal bill of ObamaCare is currently impossible.
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Thanks. People need to watch the Spicer presser from today.
Who’s got that Tracy Morgan gif shaking his head furiously no.
Okay, I read his take. If this is step one and the idea is to cripple the finacial structure alone, why increase subsidies and why increase what loosing insurance companies get subsidized? Sounds like Lobbyist crap to me.
This is nonsense.
Obamacare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL on its face. The feds have NO constitutional authority to meddle in healthcare and absolutely no constitutional authority to interfere with individuals or their insurance.
I don’t care what kind of legislative magic tricks they performed to make this beast appear, but it is patently unconstitutional and is therefore null and void NOW and should be voided and scrapped NOW as invalid and illegal.
Nonsense. A fake post. The got it passed through reconciliation, not 60 votes, it can be repealed the same way. Lyin’ Ryan and Turtle face Mcconnell need to grow some testicles and show the party they mean business.
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They basically forced us to buy forty acres without telling us it was loaded with landmines.
(* I rare ever, EVER refer to a lady as a "b-tch... but Pelosi ain't much of a lady, is she?)
How many times did the House vote to repeal Obmacare when Obama was in office? Now it can’t be done?
Didn’t Obama issue edicts to change the law without going through the Legislature?
The whole thing is a farce.
I'd rather have Obamacare in its current form now than anything passed by Ryan, because Dems will use it to hang Republicans with in 2018 and then the clarion call for single-payer will begin.
Sorry, it’s not nonsense. The rules are the rules, whether we like them or not.
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This year’s action is in 3 steps:
1) Do the actions they can do via budget reconciliation which they can do w/ the 52 Repub senators they have.
2) Next is the thousands of ACA related rules that can be amended “as the Secretary of HHS shall decide.”
3) Finally, change things like allowing to buy insurance across state lines, amend some medicaid rules and other things I can’t think of. This portion will require 60 votes in the Senate.
Some of you can disagree all you want but I am willing to give this thing a chance. It is supposed to be done in 3 steps. This is only the first roll out and I bet there will be a lot of changes to step one.
Okay, I’m dragging you into my favorite subject again. LOL, I’m sorry.
Read this guy’s take on it. He thinks its an end run. I think it could be but still Voodoo and subject to being “too smart by half.”
As one of the poster’s points out, if it passed as a reconciliation bill why can’t it be repealed in the same process?
It boils down to lack of trust in Ryan.
It can’t all be undone via reconciliation. They have no reason not to if they could but they can’t.
OK...this sounds like excuse #5136 as to why we cannot ever reduce the size and scope of govt. Healthcare costs are spiraling out of control. Now is the time to pass a great market-oriented health care bill, and then run on its success in 2018/2020. As Massie said, Ryancare may be WORSE than Obamacare. Set aside the filibuster temporarily, pass the bill(s). Cut insurance and medical costs. This may be our last opportunity to do the right thing.
Since you were obviously not paying attention, here is what happened.
Way back in 2009 when ObamaCare was being constructed, there were two procedural legislative constructs to create ObamaCare- one from the House (Pelosi) and one from the Senate (Reid).
The biggest hurdle in overcoming the constitutional minority protections for overreaching legislative constructs is the Senate. The Senate is structurally built around a process that requires minority consideration to pass law. Knowing this, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid needed a system to work around the legislative blocks (tools) of Republicans.
One of the tricks in their road-map was to get a bill passed the Senate first. The Senate vote hurdles are the tallest (60). The plan was for the Senate Bill to then go to the House for changes, and then back to the Senate for reconciliation of those changes, ie. lower vote hurdle (51).
So Harry Reid stripped out an already existing House bill sent to the Senate that was to fund the retirement accounts of federal fire-fighters. The construct of ObamaCare that Reid created through bribery, deal-making, scheme and fraud, used the House Fire-fighting bill as the “vehicle” holding the Senate legislative construct. After sequestering the Senators for two weeks, it passed with only dems (60) at 1:38am on 12/23/09.
The House also passed a bill, but their version was remarkably different, which would normally go to the senate for changes, adjustments and a vote. However, after we elected Scott Brown Jan 19th 2010, Harry Reid only had 59 votes when the Senate returned from the holiday recess.
Scott Brown meant the House bill was Dead On Arrival in the Senate.
The only option was for the House (Pelosi) to vote on the Senate bill (Reid) passed on 12/23/09. However, the Democrats could not change anything; because if they changed anything when they send it back to the Senate another full high-hurdle Senate vote would be needed, and Reid had lost that ability.
So Nancy Pelosi talked one-on-one with each of her House members, and convinced them to vote on the Senate Bill “as is”, even though the Senate bill was highly unliked by massive numbers of House democrats (especially the ‘blue dogs’). It was a plan that depended on modification of the Senate Bill AFTER House passage. That “after passage” modification plan was the reconciliation process.
The House voted to approve the Senate bill “without changes” thereby making it law. At this moment in time the Reid Bill was momentarily the ObamaCare law.
The new law was then immediately modified by a second House bill and sent to the Senate for use in the budgetary technique of “reconciliation”, where only 51 votes are needed to modify an existing bill based on funding, or the budget of the bill.
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