Posted on 03/07/2017 7:59:07 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
FACT: ObamaCare was passed, using the original legislative vehicle, at 1:38am on 12/23/09 with 60 votes in the Senate. The House then approved that Senate Bill without changes; and in February 2010 created a secondary bill which created the opportunity for the Senate to modify ObamaCare using reconciliation for a lower vote threshold of 51 votes.
[Understand the full construct by reading HERE] If you do not understand how legislation is created; if you do not understand the difference between the Senate and House; if you do not understand the way ObamaCare was created, you really need to read this first.
A clean repeal bill, meaning a law to repeal the entire ObamaCare construct only, would require another 60 vote hurdle in the Senate.
Republicans, while in the majority, only control 52 seats. Without 8 Democrats voting to approve a repeal bill, any House (Or Senate) bill that repeals ObamaCare cannot pass the Senate.
This is why Mark Levin is a con-man; selling snake oil as outrage to keep a listening audience angry, yet clueless and hopeless. Thats what I dont like.
A complete repeal of ObamaCare is currently impossible. The House Freedom Caucus can push all the repeal bills they want, but they cannot get a repeal bill through the Senate because they cannot get the 60 votes needed. Period.
A complete independent repeal bill of ObamaCare is currently impossible.
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> Defund it and you own the consequences. Which will be horrendous!
Where do you get this?
I think you’re being a little harsh here. I was not a Trump supporter in the GOP primaries, but he ended up being the very first political candidate I’ve ever financially supported in my life. He didn’t get this far just to sign his name to some crappy bill for the sake of doing it.
Perhaps had Ted not taken a couple of years off his job in the Senate, running for a position he is NOT eligible to hold... He could have already in hand that legislation to "repeal every word"... I voted for the 'right' guy, he is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of president...
Shows you how crooked they are that they won’t.
I am not talking about a mandate for ins companies to cover pre-exising...I’m talking about a wind-down of some Obamacare provisions. Make it a year.
There are few paths to market-based health care, and many to single-payer, which was always the end game. We need to be careful.
> So you want to cancel all the current policies issued by the Exchanges and terminate the Medicaid expansion in those States that have opted for it?
Current policies expire annually.
Medicaid expansion is a separate issue that has NOTHING to do with ACA repeal.
Repeal ACA and pass a separate bill to expand Medicaid.
0 votes in the Senate are not needed. Republicans have merely to do things the way Democrats do them i.e. abolish the last vestige of the filibuster. That only needs 51 votes. The filibuster has outlived its usefulness in that it is not even used any more. It is merely announced and the Senate just freezes up. They don’t require Senators to actually hold the floor.
The Medicaid expansion was part of Obamacare. It is hard to have a rational discussion with people who don’t know what they are talking about.
They are”doing what they are doing” to force us into Single Payer, the gold standard for Democrats and their junior division, the Republicans.
You have a point. Who cares how long Cruz read Dr Seuss.
It was a big fat waste of time.
EEE, the problem is, correct me if I am wrong, but Trump ran on some variation of “replace” following “repeal”. Even if the “replacement” were to be 95% pro-market reforms and deregulation, he can say that he kept his promise, and everyone is better off for it.
I know of at least one Trump voter, who was planning to vote for the Arkansas Medusa, solely because of health insurance, until Trump made the case that as a businessman he would get a better deal. We need to tread VERY carefully.
Just give all Americans a $5,000 tax credit toward all health-care expenses. That will resolve it.
Well then they ought to write a bill that isn’t the same old crap. Right now what they offer is worse
“Just give all Americans a $5,000 tax credit toward all health-care expenses. That will resolve it.”
I am talking about someone in a very modest income bracket, with no health insurance provided by her employer.
What is the point of a tax credit for someone who doesn’t pay much beyond payroll taxes? Ultimately this person needs a cheap insurance policy with decent coverage and a reasonable deductible.
There needs to be more competition in medicine and cost of drugs needs to drop drastically.
I like the way you think better.
This is a paradigm issue. It reminds me of the old Monty Python Spam bit. Any national health care “plan” has too much Spam in it! We want the fedgov OUT of the health care biz.
If these dribs and drabs could ever do it, I’ll stand corrected.
Excuse
SO?
> Defund it and you own the consequences. Which will be horrendous!
Where do you get this?
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What don’t you understand? That if you simply defund ObamaCare without changing the law, you own the consequences? Or that the consequences of simply defunding ObamaCare without changing the law will not prevent the impending implosion of the health-insurance market?
I know it was. SO WHAT?
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