Posted on 06/09/2016 11:02:03 AM PDT by CedarDave
Edited on 06/09/2016 11:42:22 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
A divided federal appeals court in California ruled Thursday that there is no constitutional right to carry a concealed handgun, adding to a division among the lower courts on gun rights outside the home. By a vote of 7-4, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco upheld a California law that requires gun owners to show a good reason before they can get a license to carry a concealed handgun. The protection of the Second Amendment  whatever the scope of that protection may be  simply does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public. The court declined to say whether the Constitution protects openly carrying a gun in public. It said that question was not at issue in the case.
I think Idaho has always been open carry.
See post 81.
He can pretend to govern.
We will pretend to let him. Or them.
I’m still shaking my head over this news...damn 9th Circus!
...but Alito’s death was natural.
In a pig’s eye.
Does the "licensed gun transporting service" have to carry it for me whenever I want to transport if from my car to any appropriate destination such as my home or a gun range?
Squirrelly Pretzel logic.
The Heller case stands for the proposition that the right to possess a handgun in your own home can be regulated, but that the regulations can;t be discretionary on the part of the government. No mention is made of cost or anything else. The courts are hostile to the RKBA, and will allow expensive regulation for mere possession, and I can see expensive regulation being extended to the right to carry. The courts will keep carving up various scenarios and keeping things in a state of confusion (that’s the point of law anyway, to keep the public confused), in the hopes that the public will eventually tire of the fight and give up.
Exactly. The author of the opinion, Willie Fletcher, deliberately wrote this opinion without mentioning the fact that open carry is illegal in the state, and (also ignoring the fact that) ruling “no CONCEALED carry” means no right “to ... bear arms” whatsoever. “Bear” is meaningless if you can’t take it out of your home, which is where you “keep” it.
That’s a damned good question. Send that to the good guys’ law firm, and maybe they’ll put it in their brief. (It’s not the MAIN problem, which is rank unconstitutionality. It’s a good illustration of the absurdity, though, and shows that leftists really just want a disarmed herd of subjects.)
You mean Scalia, but yeah, lots of people have some doubts about his dirt nap in an election year, even though he was a tub with heart problems.
this is what November is all about.
Not to worry California is banning lead bullets too as of 2019.
Thanks for the ping.
It’s here and we all need to get ready!
Vote TRUMP!
Shoot fast
Shoot straight
Shoot safe
Practice
Carry
Glock rocks
Practice, practice, practice.
Carry = 3X14+1. HST.
Mega oops. Yes, Scalia.
The push is on to disarm Americans. The dumbing down and stupefying of the American public has been so successful that I have grave concerns that this is going to work. Who is it that can’t see how artfully our enemies are executing their plans? It’s the media doped, hedonistic, intellectually challenged dolts that have been created by decades of slop fed to them daily by money mad advertisers and media pundits that will allow this to happen. I’m afraid that there are more of them than us who know that when we’re disarmed we are dead as a nation.
I wouldn’t be afraid to say that a huge number of Americans couldn’t even read what John Locke said in 1690 much less understand it. The same goes for the Constitution of the United States of America.
Our younger generations can name the ex-wives, children and stats on just about any Hollywood celebrity but can’t name the Vice President of the United States. Just whose army is going to fight for our rights and our liberty now? It’s about time to be figuring that out.
And not "not conceal". I suppose all those people carrying derringers, back in the day, were violating the Constitution.
Again, not having had a chance to review the case, it seems an attempt to nationalize an issue that should be left to the states. This is what the left does all the time and I complain about it vehemently.
Please correct me if you know more about this that I do because Im confused by the reaction to it.
If the impact was limited to just California, that would be one thing. But as the maps above show, the court's jurisdiction is the western US. If a state, such as Washington or Oregon decides to restrict concealed carry, those affected would not have relief in the Federal court. Further, if another Federal court in another part of the country, rules that concealed carry is legal, the issue goes to the US Supreme Court for resolution. With Scalia's death, it is no longer friendly to the 2nd amendment. A couple of liberal appointments by Hillary would mean overturning of the individual right to carry a handgun nationwide. That's why this decision is so important - it opens the door wide for the anti-gun crowd.
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