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Straightforward mathematical path to elimination for Cruz v Trump

Posted on 04/07/2016 4:33:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 04/07/2016 4:48:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

According to Politico's delegate counter (http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker) there are 882 delegates left.

If this s true, here is the delegate math to elimination:

Cruz currently has 517 delegates so he needs to win 720 more (81.6%) of the remaining delegates to reach the 1237 magic number. So Cruz can only afford to lose a maximum of 162 delegates or he is mathematically eliminated.

Trump currently has 743 delegates so he needs to win 494 more (56%) of the remaining delegates to reach the 1237 magic number. So Trump can afford to lose up to 388 delegates without being mathematically eliminated.

Fact Cruz has lost delegates at a much higher rate than Trump throughout this primary.

It appears to me that Cruz is more than twice as likely as Trump to be mathematically eliminated.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Texas; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016election; cruz; delegatemath; delegates; election2016; elections; johnkasich; newyork; ohio; tedcruz; texas; trump
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To: DoughtyOne

no problem.


301 posted on 04/07/2016 6:59:20 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: NIKK

If Trump does get the nomination we could take bets on how many times he’ll be booed during his acceptance speech.


302 posted on 04/07/2016 6:59:38 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Cruz voters: Wake up! Trump is our only chance of stopping the gopE. If not now, never!)
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To: freespirit2012

right . lincoln had inferior position , just like Cruz.


303 posted on 04/07/2016 7:00:39 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: corbe

Yeah because Ford winning “by the established rules” worked so well for him.


304 posted on 04/07/2016 7:01:22 PM PDT by Solson (Cruz/Graham 2016! The Eunuch Party)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

If Cruz gets the nomination he’ll sure as hell give “a good shit” about Trump voters.


305 posted on 04/07/2016 7:02:11 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Cruz voters: Wake up! Trump is our only chance of stopping the gopE. If not now, never!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Which is my real worry. Trump is so egotistical that cruz MUST win the VP position on ballots.

In this scenario, trump is NOT boooed.


306 posted on 04/07/2016 7:02:14 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman

no.. haha my question was.. has anyone come within 10 percent of the majority needed and still was not the nominee.. Seward was over 25 percent from the majority...


307 posted on 04/07/2016 7:02:58 PM PDT by freespirit2012
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To: Jim Robinson

Cruz should stay in and deliberately throw the winner-takes-most states to Trump once cruz needs 101%. That is unless Cruz win 3 or 4 states in a row some time soon.

All of Trump’s 37% (and maybe his popular vote will go up to 40-45% (after east and west coast)) is Trump voters.

Trump will be ahead 4 or 5 million votes if you minus the the home states of NY & TX.

Cruz has to admit some of the 28% he has is not all Cruz voters so he can’t claim at this point he is some sort of unity candidate except unity to force Trump to 2nd convention vote.


308 posted on 04/07/2016 7:04:05 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal (Mofopolitics: Trump probably gets 1,237 even w/out OH)
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To: fooman

If he’s double zero, what is Cruz with only about 66% of his delegate total? Triple zero?

Do you have any idea what Cruz’s delegate total would be if he had to stand up in front of the people in regular primaries?

Ted would be in for a rude surprise if he had to go back to those caucus states when the GOPe couldn’t dictate who their hand picked delegates would vote for.


309 posted on 04/07/2016 7:06:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: tennmountainman
What conservative bill has Cruz lead through the senate that passed? Please pray Tell what ANY Conservative Bill has passed the Senate in the last 10 years???????
310 posted on 04/07/2016 7:06:14 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: Cboldt

Yea it is interesting.. I just don’t see a candidate getting as close as 5 or 10 percent of the amount needed and not getting the nomination.. I don’t know for sure, but I would bet that has never happened before.. If it is 65 percent of the way to a majority I can see it.. maybe even as high as 75, but I can not see where a candidate gets to 90-95 percent and still does not get the nomination...


311 posted on 04/07/2016 7:07:37 PM PDT by freespirit2012
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To: Mensius

Cruz is parroting Trump verbatim.

And not one person in the media is calling him on it. If he gets the nomination they’ll be asking him about lots of things he will not want to talk about.


312 posted on 04/07/2016 7:07:57 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Cruz voters: Wake up! Trump is our only chance of stopping the gopE. If not now, never!)
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To: DoughtyOne

The gope does not matter if Trump and cruz run the rules committee.

your blind hatred for everything non-trump wont let you see it.


313 posted on 04/07/2016 7:08:41 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman

trump NEVER had wisconsin in the bag. This was tilting against trump and towards cruz for a long time. Trump had no chance. He was there to make sure Cruz stayed below 50%


314 posted on 04/07/2016 7:08:52 PM PDT by Solson (Cruz/Graham 2016! The Eunuch Party)
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To: fooman

I mean to make one more point about the caucus states.

Since the general Republican folks were not able to vote in a primary, they aren’t obligated to be faithful to Ted.

The folks that voted for Ted in the Caucus states are not nearly as big as the numbers in primary states.

The GOPe undercuts it’s on member’s loyalty.

And then you have all the write off states that Cruz will not play well in at all.

Did you know that Romney conceded about 180 delegates from big states, out of the shoot?

Cruz couldn’t get those back. Trump very well could in a number of those states.

That’s why I made the comment about numbers being small.


315 posted on 04/07/2016 7:10:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Solson

The ARG poll had trump 10 the day before the election.


316 posted on 04/07/2016 7:10:56 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman

Blind hatred.

It’s very much open eyed hatred.

I started out this election cycle wanting Ted to be Trump’s V.P. pick.

Today I wouldn’t cast a ballot for him for any public office.


317 posted on 04/07/2016 7:12:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: SoothingDave

Ok, well then in that case I stand corrected. :-)

Personally, I agree with Jim that Cruz should drop out, but not because he is mathematically eliminated from winning 1237 straight up. I think he should drop out now, in the interest of uniting against the democrats ASAP.

If he doesn’t drop out after NY, he is obviously staying in simply to keep Trump from reaching 1237, so that he can try his luck in a ‘brokered’ convention. It’s true that with rule changes and multiple ballots, anyone can theoretically win, but Cruz would have to be delusional to think it would be him. The GOPe will hold all the cards at that point and will nominate some establishment loser (certainly not Ted Cruz) thus assuring Clinton the presidency, and we will have Cruz’s delusional thinking to blame for it.

I think this may have been Jim’s point - if so, I agree.


318 posted on 04/07/2016 7:13:22 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: DoughtyOne

Dude I get it. I want Trump on top and cruz as VP.

WE have to have principles somewhere on the ticket.

Some freeper said trump could pay one million per delegate needed.

I would not object, if only Trump would .

But trump wont even fund roger stone.

Think about it.


319 posted on 04/07/2016 7:14:16 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: DoughtyOne

yeah I get it, unfortunately.


320 posted on 04/07/2016 7:15:04 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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