Posted on 02/14/2016 12:50:31 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
It’s not every day that anti-war groups find themselves cheering on leading Republican presidential candidates. But, then again, this hasn’t been a presidential campaign that’s stuck to the script.
The morning after he called the Iraq War a huge misstep and argued that President George W. Bush lied to get the country into it, Donald Trump has earned praise from, of all places, Code Pink, the group best known for protesting the Iraq War and subsequent military interventions.
“I watched the debate last night and LOVED IT,†Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin said in an email.
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Because right and left are dead. It’s no longer conservative v. liberal; it’s us v. our would-be tyrants.
Trump isn’t our cult leader; he’s our figurehead. The real strength lies in the tidal wave of pissed off voters growing beneath him.
This is why the screams that Trump is a liberal don’t matter to us. He’s not leading us; we are the ones pushing HIM. He’s our weapon and we have him aimed right at the heart of the tyrants in DC.
To you or someone else, I mentioned the promise of a check enclosed and the intimation that someone had broken voting guidelines.
Those are not the tactics of an honest upright man, so no even Ted isn’t subject to be viewed the same forever.
He has proven he can make things worse.
It really needs a context in order to be able to get a definition.
Like I said years ago, I would ask conservatives, what are you conserving? And liberals, what are you liberating?
The devil (as well as God) is most definitely in these details. Not even liberal used to be the odious thing it so commonly means now, in fact even an oxymoron; it used to be classical liberal, which liberated thought to consider matters of truth and beauty without conforming to the stereotypes of mere tradition.
Except Rubio answered it immediately after Trump, so it was able to be defined at least in broad brush strokes. I think Kirk is the default answer that most conservatives fall back on, and if you aren’t as academic as that, then you can fall back on Reagan’s three-legs of conservatism: fiscal responsibility, cultural tradition, and strong national defense.
Carter’s comments aren’t about holding Trump in high esteem, clearly Carter doesn’t, but he was commenting on who he, as a political enemy, would prefer seeing in the White House. He said Trump specifically because he has a history of being malleable on his views and beliefs, unlike Cruz who was dedicated to conservative issues.
When people from the right say these things about Trump, they are dismissed as a purity test. But when a liberal says the same thing, then it is an indication that this is a trait seen regardless of where you stand on the political spectrum: Trumps views change to suit his immediate needs.
Will he defund Planned Parenthood? You assume so, but he has said that Planned Parenthood does a lot of good things for womens’ health. You say he will find out that all they do is abortion, but how will he find out when he is surrounded by people who won’t disagree with him on even the slightest thing?
You are one of the superficial ones.
The brouhaha over PP is over its non abortion arm.
There are legal considerations here (it was tried with Acorn and that was nixed by a court) and also practical ones (when Acorn finally was busted, it just reorganized under a different name).
I do see a name equity issue here, but we cannot solve that with buzz words about PP. We might be able to solve that with a law which, in effect, would force PP to change the name of its non abortion arm, so it doesn’t give good publicity to its abortion arm (or else it would lose subsidy).
But it seems that reasoned thought is out of style here and knee jerks are in style here.
I fell for the WH and neocon bull leading up to invading Iraq, but it was pretty much all lies that our brave young men died and were wounded for. What was it over a trillion dollars spent? And what did we accomplish? ISIS and the probable coming takeover of Iraq by Iran. Now we have Russia as the power player in the M.E. NUTS!!
What the words came to mean to me were these descriptions.
Conservative: To seek to Conserve the Founding Principles of the Founding FATHERS.
Liberal: To seek to pay off people with other people’s money, to garner unyielding support.
I realize these are the morphed realities, but they work for me.
I know about the voting shame letters that looked annoyingly official, but nothing about the check scandal. What went down with that one?
Even yet nobody is fixed in stone. If Ted could repudiate that (as Trump finally seems to be getting the picture that positive ads are better for his prospects) then the picture could be re-evaluated.
Trump echoes sane people’s talking points.
“You are one of the superficial ones.”
If that means I would NEVER EVER support someone who applauds PP, then, yes. You are correct. Evil is evil. And all the knee jerky defenses in the world does not erase that. And you don’t know me well enough to make your asessment of me as being a knee, jerk.
Which leaves a lot of room for other factors, too. Clearly this meaning of liberal is odious, and this meaning of conservative has some virtues. SOME virtues, not every possible virtue, to which we ought to be looking to the bible for. We don’t want chattel slavery again, to belabor an obvious example.
And thereby, you would jump from a frying pan into a fire.
No, not even PP is the worst evil that can exist.
Very true.
Sadly, he is a real risk to the Republican ticket with the Hildabeast also running.
I will rub every last Cruz supporters’ noses into the ground if Cruz gets the nomination and is ruled ineligible by the Supreme’s or other final court ruling.
“No, not even PP is the worst evil that can exist.”
I don’t recall saying they were? But evil is evil, so I guess I can’t argue the point. I am pretty sure that there is not a bit of difference between PP, or Ted Kennedy and Ted Bundy except for statistics. A killer is a killer.
And especially, the non abortion arm of PP is not the worst evil that could exist.
We ought to be working on ways to solve the subsidized name equity issue. But fetishizing some worldly evil as though it were the touchstone of all evils, is to leave the door open to other evils that you will inevitably ignore in the process.
What did we win exactly, please elaborate?
Please also tell us where exactly those WMD were found, when and by whom?
The non abortion arm of PP is not a killer.
My “logic” is that the second gulf war was nation building and a mistake. George W. Bush believed they could install the first muslim democracy in the middle east and a seedling would bloom and the region would be transformed.
It didn’t work and I am not for nation building. Trump accused Bush of lying about wmd. No different than the far left’s “Bush lied people died”. Not the guy I want as president.
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