Posted on 01/08/2016 9:57:21 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
On Ted Cruz's eligibility, if he's the great advocate of the Constitution that he purports to be, I don't see why he doesn't agree to the public release of his immigration and naturalization file. Yes, he absolutely has to have an immigration file. We know for a fact that he doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate, and without that, the only way to legally live and work in the United States is via the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
If it's true that he acquired U.S. citizenship at birth through his mother, then the file would consist of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA). http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html.
If such a document is in fact on file with the Statement Department, then we can at least say that he was a citizen at birth.
But no, that does not close the case. While there's certainly a good argument that "natural born citizen" means "citizen at birth", there are other arguments to the effect that if the purpose of the NBC clause was to prevent a President with divided loyalties, dual citizenship and natural born citizenship would be mutually exclusive categories, and it's not questioned that Cruz was a dual citizen until a bit more than two years ago.
I'd also like to say that for some of us, this issue as it related to Obama and now Cruz is far from just some wacky irrelevant technicality: the basic problem that America faces IMHO is the fact that we have traitors who have infested the highest levels of our government. Maybe not literal traitors actively fighting on the battlefield with our enemies, but traitors in the sense of people who place the interests of non-Americans above the interests of Americans; they don't place our security above our "international obligations", they don't defend our borders, they prioritize the needs of illegal aliens over those of American citizens, they sign international trade deals that decimate American industry, and on and on.
As it happens the Founders of our great nation were also quite concerned about this, having just fought a war for their independence not only against the British Crown, but also against the "Loyalists" who remained loyal to it following the Declaration of Independence. In yet another of their incredibly brilliant and prescient moves in crafting the Constitution, they embedded within it a clause that would (hopefully) ensure that at the highest level of our government, we would exclude those who might have divided loyalties, and even more IMHO, people who in the back of their minds might know that they would always have an "escape hatch" to avoid accountability to the American people by virtue of a latent claim to citizenship in a foreign country.
Yes, ultimately, a socialist traitor can come from anywhere, as can a constitutional conservative, but I don't see anything wrong with maintaining this one small measure of additional insurance against exactly the sort of traitorous, anti-American behavior and ideology that has been the hallmark of the Obama Administration.
Many candidates are running for President. Where's you call for Trump to release all of his paperwork?
Concern troll is concerned.
Now IS the time to put this nonsense to rest...although it won’t ever put it to rest for the deranged left.
Alternatively, you could apply for a passport. But you need to file something. A Canadian birth certificate is not sufficient to prove U.S. citizenship.
You don't think this is hurting him enough that it would be prudent to show it?
It's not different than showing a Birth Certificate. Easily released by the principal.
Any one of us on this forum would do so if our Birth Citizenship were questioned. Especially if questioned in a state court as the pending suit in Florida does. He could be denied ballot access in Florida if he does not respond.
How do you prove she did not do that? The only paperwork related to that would be if she did. Where is that?
I can make all kinds of false accusations of someone. They are not required to prove the did not do something. You have to prove they did it.
When did you stop beating your spouse? Prove it.
A Canadian birth certificate plus a mother or fathers birth certificate can prove NBC status.
That’s very kind of you. Now would you care to point out the phrase natural born citizen in that code?
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For those with a low IQ in our midst:
natural born citizen = citizen at birth
They all should, Trump has released his birth certificate.
He has released his birth certificate.
What is creepy is overt lying, making stuff up out of thin air.
Not really. If his mother naturalized in Canada, thus renouncing her U.S. citizenship, she could’ve been born a citizen of the U.S. but not been one when he was born, thus making her unable to transmit U.S. citizenship to her son.
Trump has not released his father's or mother's birth certificate.
Yet you don't seem concerned about that.
I’d urge him to do so if asked.
So them maybe all the candidate's parents have renounced their citizenship. Prove that they didn't.
Aren't you concerned that old Fred & Mary Ann Trump may have done that?
Suppose that, prior to Ted Cruz's birth, his mother travels to Canada.
While there she is introduced to the then-single Charles, Prince of Wales. They decide to wed and take up residence in Great Britain.
Elizabeth II passes and Charles becomes King of England, Charles III.
The Queen becomes pregnant and appears at the U.S. Consulate and registers her baby, to be named Ted, as a U.S. citizen.
Years later Ted is crowned King Ted I at the death of his monarch father.
In the year 2016, King Ted realizes that the U.S. is in dire need of his leadership and he decides to run as President and is elected by a majority of the Electoral College, but a less-than-majority of the popular vote.
Now I realize that some of this scenario is very unlikely. But exactly what part of this would be IMPOSSIBLE?
And what would our Founders think went wrong with their "Natural Born Citizen" language in the Constitutition?
If true, how did Ted Cruz get a US passport at 16 years old?
Sure. I happen to believe that natural born citizen means citizen at birth, so really, it wouldn’t matter if they’d both defected years earlier to the Soviet Union and publicly renounced all ties to the U.S., Trump is a natural born citizen because he was born here. But hey, if someone else thinks otherwise, then I would urge Trump to get his parents birth certificates and put those out too.
I'd urge him to do so if asked.
Why weren't you concerned about it before I asked you? Why no thread about old Fred and Mary Ann? Why don't you ask him, instead of saying that he should do it only if he's asked? Why didn't the concerned Trump volunteer to do it on his own?
How precious.
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