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On Ted Cruz Eligibility . . .
Vanity | January 8, 2016 | Behind the Blue Wall

Posted on 01/08/2016 9:57:21 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall

On Ted Cruz's eligibility, if he's the great advocate of the Constitution that he purports to be, I don't see why he doesn't agree to the public release of his immigration and naturalization file. Yes, he absolutely has to have an immigration file. We know for a fact that he doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate, and without that, the only way to legally live and work in the United States is via the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

If it's true that he acquired U.S. citizenship at birth through his mother, then the file would consist of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA). http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html.

If such a document is in fact on file with the Statement Department, then we can at least say that he was a citizen at birth.

But no, that does not close the case. While there's certainly a good argument that "natural born citizen" means "citizen at birth", there are other arguments to the effect that if the purpose of the NBC clause was to prevent a President with divided loyalties, dual citizenship and natural born citizenship would be mutually exclusive categories, and it's not questioned that Cruz was a dual citizen until a bit more than two years ago.

I'd also like to say that for some of us, this issue as it related to Obama and now Cruz is far from just some wacky irrelevant technicality: the basic problem that America faces IMHO is the fact that we have traitors who have infested the highest levels of our government. Maybe not literal traitors actively fighting on the battlefield with our enemies, but traitors in the sense of people who place the interests of non-Americans above the interests of Americans; they don't place our security above our "international obligations", they don't defend our borders, they prioritize the needs of illegal aliens over those of American citizens, they sign international trade deals that decimate American industry, and on and on.

As it happens the Founders of our great nation were also quite concerned about this, having just fought a war for their independence not only against the British Crown, but also against the "Loyalists" who remained loyal to it following the Declaration of Independence. In yet another of their incredibly brilliant and prescient moves in crafting the Constitution, they embedded within it a clause that would (hopefully) ensure that at the highest level of our government, we would exclude those who might have divided loyalties, and even more IMHO, people who in the back of their minds might know that they would always have an "escape hatch" to avoid accountability to the American people by virtue of a latent claim to citizenship in a foreign country.

Yes, ultimately, a socialist traitor can come from anywhere, as can a constitutional conservative, but I don't see anything wrong with maintaining this one small measure of additional insurance against exactly the sort of traitorous, anti-American behavior and ideology that has been the hallmark of the Obama Administration.


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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Maybe he has released it,
or maybe he doesn't want to do it UNTIL the proper time.
Why feed the Piranha, when all they're going to do is continue their baseless attacks.


TED CRUZ is by far, the MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE we've got ! Here's the supporting article from Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies and editor-in-chief of the Cato Supreme Court Review.
Like most immigrants, he does a job Americans won't: defending the Constitution.
21 posted on 01/08/2016 10:27:33 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: John Valentine

How else would Cruz evidence his citizenship? If you don’t have a U.S. birth certificate, it stands to reason that you have to have another document of some sort evidence your citizenship.


22 posted on 01/08/2016 10:29:08 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: House Atreides

Which is fine, so in that case, the paperwork should have been filed and there’s no reason that we shouldn’t be able to see it.


23 posted on 01/08/2016 10:30:22 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Yosemitest; All

Was Cruz’s mother ever a Canadian citizen?

Do you know the answer to this? Please. Thanks.

I’m not throwing rocks here. Trying to find facts.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality.html

It states: “Section 349 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. nationals are subject to loss of nationality if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Briefly stated, these acts include:

(and # 1 in their list is)
“obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon one’s own application after the age of 18 (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);”


24 posted on 01/08/2016 10:34:28 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: House Atreides

Can someone born in Puerto Rico run for President?


25 posted on 01/08/2016 10:35:39 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Who else would?

INS would never be involved. He has a passport. He would show the record of birth to the state department for that. I don't see how another agency would ever be involved.

He did not Immigrate. He did not apply to be Naturalized. He never got a green card. Why do you think INS would be involved and in what action?

26 posted on 01/08/2016 10:35:47 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
I see no reason for doubt here as Trump has already spoken on it;

"So he said so it shall be!"
27 posted on 01/08/2016 10:36:18 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: RummyChick

Yes. Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory in 1909.


28 posted on 01/08/2016 10:37:51 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TigerClaws
Where do you get the STUPID QUESTIONS, the DemocRAT Underground ?

FACT: Cruz’s father’s Cuban nationality at the time of Cruz’s birth, is irrelevant, according to the law at that time,
just so long as he was a LEGAL Immigrant at the time of Ted Cruz's birth,
AND both of Ted Cruz's parents were legally married to each other. So there is the law for the time Ted Cruz was born,
AND HOW Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.

One more thing, listen to a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER:
29 posted on 01/08/2016 10:38:06 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: thackney
"And since he did not immigrate or become naturalized, what file would you suggest he show? "

If he did not close the paperwork to conclusion, he is technically an illegal alien.

That's not to say he could not take care of all of it post facto, the State Department has forms and processes for that too.

The paper trail can be established, and that's the least we should ask of every single candidate, every time.

Who would support having a Ballistic Missile Submarine Captain who did not, or could not provide documentary proof of his citizenship?

A POTUS has command over dozens of those, and many hundreds of others who have command authority over Nuclear weapons.

30 posted on 01/08/2016 10:38:50 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Yosemitest

How does a ‘constitutional’ lawyer not know he is a citizen of Canada?

News today!

Former Cruz Supporter and Activist Endorses Trump (Andrew Hemingway, running for governor of N.H)

http://trumpstump2016.com/2016/01/07/thelaura/former-cruz-supporter-activist-endorses-trump/


31 posted on 01/08/2016 10:39:49 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: thackney

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2494290/posts?q=1&;page=201

Justice Thomas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmX4F3gW_vY


32 posted on 01/08/2016 10:40:13 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I have an idea. Anyone that asks of someone else to prove a negative must first identify themselves. In other words, why don’t you provide your identity before you ask someone else to prove theirs!


33 posted on 01/08/2016 10:40:35 AM PST by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: Mariner
If he did not close the paperwork to conclusion, he is technically an illegal alien.

What paperwork? He has a record of birth to a US citizen, same as I. That is the paperwork we both used to get a Passport.

34 posted on 01/08/2016 10:40:40 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: AuntB
How does a ‘constitutional’ lawyer not know he is a citizen of Canada?

Studying US law doesn't make you an expert in Canadian law.

35 posted on 01/08/2016 10:41:32 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

If you read the Consular Report of Birth Abroad form you find at the bottom it is voluntary. It is merely a way but not the only way to prove citizenship at birth.


36 posted on 01/08/2016 10:43:30 AM PST by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: 11th Commandment

It’s not a question of proving a negative. All that he has to do is sign a piece of paper confirming that he permits the public release of any files on record for him with the INS/Consular office, whatever. End of story.


37 posted on 01/08/2016 10:43:37 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: ifinnegan

‘Shut up you lying scum.’

This level of nastiness does not help Cruz. It’s creepy.


38 posted on 01/08/2016 10:44:41 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: thackney
"False. Foreign Soil births of US citizens are recorded at the US Consulate. "

If it was reported, it was recorded. And the result of that recording is either a CRBA or Passport issued at birth.

If it was not reported and recorded he has no documentary proof and will have to reconstruct the paper trail, starting with his and his Mother's birth certificates.

The US State Dept has mechanisms for this.

It's clear Cruz is likely an American Citizen by birth and is entitled to the privileges thereof. He should not have any issues closing the loop.

Unless he doesn't think it's important.

39 posted on 01/08/2016 10:44:58 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: thackney

Did you get a passport with only a foreign birth certificate? There’s nothing on his birth certificate that says his mother was U.S. citizen at the time of his birth.


40 posted on 01/08/2016 10:44:59 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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